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Posted By: Stick
Date: Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 10:15 a.m.

In Response To: Example for clarification (Maik Stiebler)

Just this past weekend in PGH during my doubles match there was a racing cube where we were doubled and both myself and my partner knew it was a technical clear take. UBK wanted to take without question, thought the take was too big. I was very unsure given that I thought we had a 3 PR or 100 elo difference in the match. The take ended up being about .120 I think and I would have lost no sleep whatsoever if we would have dropped it. MCG said at the time that he probably would have passed it also.
Below is a simple race, the first with a regular MET and the second with the jacobs100 loaded. A mundane example and if you can't imagine passing a meager 0.144 well then ... you have issues.
The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, Stick 0 (match to 7 points)
Move number 2: Stick on roll, cube decision?

gnubg 49

Stick 45
Position ID: 1bsBAKC6GwAAAA Match ID: cAngAAAAAAAE

Cube decision

Rollout cubeless equity +0.509 (Money: +0.509)

Cubeful equities:

1. Double, take +0.880 Ā

2. Double, pass +1.000 +0.120

3. No double +0.772 -0.109

Proper cube action: Double, take

Rollout details

Ā Win W g W bg Ā Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful

Centered 1-cube 0.754 0.000 0.000 - 0.246 0.000 0.000 +0.509 +0.772

Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.003

Player gnubg owns 2-cube 0.754 0.000 0.000 - 0.246 0.000 0.000 +1.025 +0.880

Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.001 0.004

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

108 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 912940617 and quasi-random dice

Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Ā

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, Stick 0 (match to 7 points)
Move number 2: Stick on roll, cube decision?

gnubg 49

Stick 45
Position ID: 1bsBAKC6GwAAAA Match ID: cAngAAAAAAAE

Cube decision

Rollout cubeless equity +0.509 (Money: +0.509)

Cubeful equities:

1. Double, pass +1.000 Ā

2. Double, take +1.028 +0.028

3. No double +0.828 -0.172

Proper cube action: Double, pass

Rollout details

Ā Win W g W bg Ā Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful

Centered 1-cube 0.754 0.000 0.000 - 0.246 0.000 0.000 +0.509 +0.828

Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.003

Player gnubg owns 2-cube 0.754 0.000 0.000 - 0.246 0.000 0.000 +1.136 +1.028

Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.001 0.004

Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.

108 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 912940617 and quasi-random dice

Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16

Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.

Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Ā

gnubg	49

Stick	45
Position ID: `1bsBAKC6GwAAAA` Match ID: `cAngAAAAAAAE`

gnubg	49

Stick	45
Position ID: `1bsBAKC6GwAAAA` Match ID: `cAngAAAAAAAE`

Messages In This Thread

Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
Stick -- Monday, 20 February 2012, at 10:19 p.m.
- Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
  Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 20 February 2012, at 10:46 p.m.
  - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
    Bill Riles -- Monday, 20 February 2012, at 11:56 p.m.
    - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
      Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 12:22 a.m.
  - Responding to Daniel, PR of Giant-32
    Paul Weaver -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 12:57 a.m.
    - Responding to Daniel, PR of Giant-32
      Iancho Hristov -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 2:09 a.m.
- Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
  Bill Riles -- Monday, 20 February 2012, at 11:50 p.m.
  - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
    Jake Jacobs -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 3:20 a.m.
    - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
      Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 1:37 p.m.
      - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 7:14 p.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Stick -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 9:02 p.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        christian munk-christensen -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 9:09 p.m.
      - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Jake Jacobs -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 5:30 a.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Stick -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 5:33 a.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        rew -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 11:04 a.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        rew -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 2:44 p.m.
- Side question: definition of blunder
  Carlo Melzi -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 12:20 a.m.
  - Definition of blunder: 0.06
    Paul Weaver -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 12:35 a.m.
    - Definition of blunder: 0.06
      Colin Owen -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 11:21 p.m.
    - Definition of blunder: 0.06
      Nack Ballard -- Wednesday, 29 February 2012, at 4:56 p.m.
      - Definition of blunder: 0.06
        Carlo Melzi -- Wednesday, 29 February 2012, at 5:33 p.m.
        
        Definition of blunder: 0.06
        storm -- Wednesday, 29 February 2012, at 6:21 p.m.
        
        Definition of blunder: 0.06
        Stick -- Wednesday, 29 February 2012, at 11:50 p.m.
        
        Definition of blunder: 0.06
        Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 1 March 2012, at 1:18 a.m.
        
        Definition of blunder: 0.06
        Stick -- Thursday, 1 March 2012, at 5:07 a.m.
        
        Jeremy Bagai's brilliant example
        Timothy Chow -- Friday, 2 March 2012, at 2:10 a.m.
        
        Jeremy Bagai's brilliant example
        Stick -- Friday, 2 March 2012, at 2:21 a.m.
        
        Jeremy Bagai's brilliant example
        Bob Koca -- Friday, 2 March 2012, at 7:27 p.m.
      - Definition of blunder: 0.06
        garyo -- Wednesday, 29 February 2012, at 7:53 p.m.
      - Definition of blunder: 0.06
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 1 March 2012, at 3:00 p.m.
        
        trollolololol +1 *NM*
        Benf -- Thursday, 1 March 2012, at 6:07 p.m.
  - Side question: definition of blunder
    Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 4:03 p.m.
  - Side question: definition of blunder
    neilkaz -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 5:53 p.m.
  - Side question: definition of blunder
    Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 7:37 p.m.
    - Side question: definition of blunder
      Stick -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 7:55 p.m.
      - Side question: definition of blunder
        Stein Kulseth -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 10:49 p.m.
    - Side question: definition of blunder
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 12:25 a.m.
- Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
  Michael Nielsen -- Tuesday, 21 February 2012, at 12:46 a.m.
- Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
  Stick -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 4:15 a.m.
  - Question for Stick
    David -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 3:06 p.m.
    - Question for Stick
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 3:10 p.m.
      - Question for Stick
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 8:41 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 8:51 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 9:09 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 9:17 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 10:28 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 10:33 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 11:03 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 11:20 a.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        christian munk-christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:04 p.m.
        
        Question for Stick
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:42 p.m.
        
        +1 *NM*
        Carlo Melzi -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:39 p.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 10:03 a.m.
        
        Simple Example
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 10:15 a.m.
        
        Simple Example
        rew -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 11:21 a.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        christian munk-christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:00 p.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        rew -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:23 p.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 8:33 a.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Stick -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 9:04 a.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Casper van der Tak -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 10:02 a.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Stick -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 10:09 a.m.
        
        Agreed! *NM*
        Casper van der Tak -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 10:44 a.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 10:57 a.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:35 p.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 5:50 p.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        christian munk-christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 10:24 p.m.
        
        Example for clarification
        Daniel Murphy -- Friday, 24 February 2012, at 12:05 a.m.
  - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
    Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 3:14 p.m.
  - Your drop decision
    Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 22 February 2012, at 6:11 p.m.
    - Your drop decision
      Henrik Bukkjaer -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 1:41 a.m.
  - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
    Bob Koca -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 3:03 a.m.
    - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
      Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 7:31 a.m.
      - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 8:07 a.m.
  - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
    Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 7:42 a.m.
    - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
      Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 8:04 a.m.
      - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 8:53 a.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 9:12 a.m.
      - Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 6:22 p.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Stick -- Thursday, 23 February 2012, at 6:35 p.m.
        
        Average # of Blunders per Match (Giant)
        Neil Robins -- Wednesday, 29 February 2012, at 11:36 a.m.

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