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A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck

Posted By: Timothy Chow
Date: Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:28 a.m.

In Response To: A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck (Stein Kulseth)

Stein Kulseth wrote:

The way I see it the winner is always lucky

Certainly, the word "lucky" means a lot of different things colloquially. The definition I have in mind is the one used by the bots. If we use the bots' definition of the word "luck," and if we say that the "luckier" player in a match was the player with greater luck as measured by the bots, then it is not true that the winner is always luckier. It is usually true, and the loser has to play really badly for it not to be true, but it is not always true.

Similar comments apply to my made-up game, in which I have given a precise definition of "luckier" according to which the winner is not always the luckier player. Your reaction might be that my definition of "luck" is not a good one because it fails to have a property that you want the word "luck" to have, but I believe that my definition is close to the bots' definition, and is therefore helpful for understanding that definition.

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• A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 5:28 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Stick -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 5:48 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Jason Lee -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 5:50 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 6:04 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 8:53 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 9:05 p.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 5:38 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:14 a.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:55 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 1:57 a.m.
          • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
            Fatboy -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 2:11 a.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Phil Simborg -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 9:43 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:21 a.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 2:10 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 2:33 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 3:02 a.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Stein Kulseth -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 11:14 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:28 a.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    sita -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 3:55 p.m.
    • I'm beginning to see the "disconnect" here
      Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 4:08 p.m.
      • I'm beginning to see the "disconnect" here
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:06 a.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Tom Keith -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 5:39 p.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:06 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 1:10 a.m.
          • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
            Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 1:43 a.m.
            • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 2:06 a.m.
              • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
                Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 3:30 a.m.
          • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
            Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 8:19 a.m.
            • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
              Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 8:53 a.m.
              • My Koca disconnect problem
                Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 11:01 a.m.
              • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:22 p.m.
            • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 9:30 a.m.
              • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 2:09 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    ah_clem -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 7:39 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 8:49 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:18 a.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        sita -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 10:11 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          sita -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:38 p.m.
  • we get out, what we put in
    rambiz -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 7:39 p.m.
    • we get out, what we put in
      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 3:27 a.m.
      • we get out, what we put in
        rambiz -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 5:27 a.m.
        • we get out, what we put in
          Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 1:44 p.m.
        • we get out, what we put in(deed)
          rambiz -- Friday, 30 January 2015, at 6:33 a.m.