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A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck

Posted By: Maik Stiebler
Date: Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 2:09 p.m.

In Response To: A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck (Tom Keith)

Do you mean, for example, by playing many matches between two opponents and observing the variableness of the results to get a measure of luck?

No, I just meant a measure of luck that is derived from a measure of practical equity (I tried to clarify what I mean by thathere) in the same way that bot luck is derived from bot equity.

I wanted a definition that leads to useful properties about how luck relates to skill.

I want that too, if only because I had to explain that there are no such properties regarding luck and skill as measured by bots about a thousand times. Rollout equity based measures of luck (and skill) do have similar properties as those based on perfect equity - a pet subject of mine, even though it has been more than four years since the last time I mentioned it here. As in my mind, practical equities are just a special flavor of rollout equities (not that special, actually: Rollout equities are practical equities under the assumption that the opponents play like the bot), you see where my urge to babble about them comes from.

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• A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 5:28 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Stick -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 5:48 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Jason Lee -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 5:50 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Bob Koca -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 6:04 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 8:53 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 9:05 p.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 5:38 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:14 a.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:55 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 1:57 a.m.
          • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
            Fatboy -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 2:11 a.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Phil Simborg -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 9:43 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:21 a.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 2:10 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 2:33 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 3:02 a.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    Stein Kulseth -- Monday, 26 January 2015, at 11:14 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 12:28 a.m.
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    sita -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 3:55 p.m.
    • I'm beginning to see the "disconnect" here
      Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 4:08 p.m.
      • I'm beginning to see the "disconnect" here
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:06 a.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Tom Keith -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 5:39 p.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:06 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 1:10 a.m.
          • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
            Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 1:43 a.m.
            • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 2:06 a.m.
              • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
                Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 3:30 a.m.
          • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
            Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 8:19 a.m.
            • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
              Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 8:53 a.m.
              • My Koca disconnect problem
                Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 11:01 a.m.
              • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:22 p.m.
            • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 9:30 a.m.
              • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 2:09 p.m.
  • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
    ah_clem -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 7:39 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 27 January 2015, at 8:49 p.m.
    • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
      Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:18 a.m.
      • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
        sita -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 10:11 a.m.
        • A made-up game to illustrate some points about skill and luck
          sita -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 12:38 p.m.
  • we get out, what we put in
    rambiz -- Wednesday, 28 January 2015, at 7:39 p.m.
    • we get out, what we put in
      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 3:27 a.m.
      • we get out, what we put in
        rambiz -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 5:27 a.m.
        • we get out, what we put in
          Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 29 January 2015, at 1:44 p.m.
        • we get out, what we put in(deed)
          rambiz -- Friday, 30 January 2015, at 6:33 a.m.