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Rollout inconsistency of GNU repeated

Posted By: Neil Robins
Date: Friday, 28 August 2009, at 4:55 p.m.

In Response To: Rollout inconsistency of GNU repeated (Chuck Bower)

I decided which was correct based on what XG got after D/T (posted right at the top of the thread). There is nothing in the position for the bots to disagree about then. But if you want to see MWC, the incorrect one comes first again.

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 2, Neil 3 (match to 5 points)

Move number 2: Neil on roll, cube decision?

gnubg	14
Neil	17
Position ID: gwEAQCoAAAAAAA Match ID: cAmgACAAGAAA

• Neil doubles

Cube decision
Rollout cubeless MWC		68.24%	(Money: +0.455)
Cubeful equities:
1.	Double, take	73.16%
2.	Double, pass	75.08%	1.92%
3.	No double	70.66%	-2.50%
Proper cube action:		Double, take
Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.728 0.000 0.000 - 0.272 0.000 0.000 68.24% 70.66% Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.01% 0.01% Player gnubg owns 2-cube 0.732 0.000 0.000 - 0.268 0.000 0.000 81.71% 73.16% Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.00% 0.01%
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
20736 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 867000880 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 2, Neil 3 (match to 5 points)

Move number 2: Neil on roll, cube decision?

gnubg	14
Neil	17
Position ID: gwEAQCoAAAAAAA Match ID: cAmgACAAGAAA

• Neil doubles

Cube decision
Rollout cubeless MWC		68.24%	(Money: +0.455)
Cubeful equities:
1.	Double, take	73.53%
2.	Double, pass	75.08%	1.54%
3.	No double	70.66%	-2.88%
Proper cube action:		Double, take
Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.728 0.000 0.000 - 0.272 0.000 0.000 68.24% 70.66% Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.01% 0.01% Player gnubg owns 2-cube 0.735 0.000 0.000 - 0.265 0.000 0.000 81.97% 73.53% Standard error 0.000 0.000 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.00% 0.00%
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
20736 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 867000880 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Messages In This Thread

• Baffled by bots here. Help!
  Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 2:25 p.m.
  • Baffled by bots here. Help!
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 3:01 p.m.
    • Baffled by bots here. Help!
      Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 3:24 p.m.
  • 6-ply and 5-ply
    Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 3:09 p.m.
    • 6-ply and 5-ply
      Keene -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
      • 7-ply, 6-ply and 5-ply
        Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 7:12 p.m.
        • 7-ply, 6-ply and 5-ply
          neilkaz -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 7:14 p.m.
          • Hmm same BS on my old GNU
            neilkaz -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 10:02 p.m.
  • Baffled by bots here. Help!
    Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 5:25 p.m.
    • Baffled by bots here. Help!
      Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 5:39 p.m.
      • Baffled by bots here. Help!
        Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 6:31 p.m.
  • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
    Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 6:04 p.m.
    • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
      Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 6:11 p.m.
      • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
        Michael Petch -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 2:58 a.m.
        • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
          Michael Petch -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 10:58 a.m.
        • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
          Michael Petch -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 11:16 a.m.
    • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
      Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 7:01 p.m.
    • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
      Michael Petch -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 7:29 p.m.
      • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
        Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 7:40 p.m.
    • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
      MaX -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 8:24 p.m.
      • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
        Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 9:05 p.m.
    • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
      Phil Simborg -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 10:54 a.m.
      • A different GNU rollout result with same settings
        MaX -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 2:37 p.m.
  • Baffled by bots here. Help!
    Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 7:45 p.m.
    • Baffled by bots here. Help!
      Neil Robins -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 8:25 p.m.
  • WOW !!!
    neilkaz -- Thursday, 27 August 2009, at 11:50 p.m.
  • Goes back at least 4 years
    Chuck Bower -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 1:05 a.m.
  • Baffled by bots here. Help!
    Michael Petch -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 3:10 a.m.
  • Rollout inconsistency of GNU repeated
    Neil Robins -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 8:13 a.m.
    • Rollout inconsistency of GNU repeated
      Chuck Bower -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
      • Rollout inconsistency of GNU repeated
        Neil Robins -- Friday, 28 August 2009, at 4:55 p.m.