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2nd roll notes at GG

Posted By: David Rockwell
Date: Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:41 p.m.

In Response To: 2nd roll notes at GG (neilkaz)

You got fourth place, albeit only .0072 back.

Second best is 62H (Hit 13-11, 8-2*)

In third place is R (Run 24-16) behind the leader by .0046.

Even at GG, it is often best to avoid leaving a checker on the bar under the four stack on the eight point. S allows opener too much on hitting aces and other moves such as 31P when the spare remains to threaten responder next turn. This concept is discussed in the book of course.

At 5k, these could certainly reverse when extended. I expect $ will remain on top. H just looks dumb with the near worthless 13-11 development combined with the anti-thematic tempo hit when the opener can't do much of anything on non-doublets anyway. R doesn't address the score. And, S is a problem as discussed above. $ looks like the lesser of evils.

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 2, Readers 1 (match to 3 points, Crawford game)

Move number 2: Readers to play 26

gnubg	161
Readers	167
Position ID: 4PPgASjgc/ABMA Match ID: 8Al5ACAACAAA

Messages In This Thread

• 2nd roll notes at GG
  David Rockwell -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 8:54 p.m.
  • 2nd roll notes at GG
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 9:04 p.m.
    • 2nd roll notes at GG
      David Rockwell -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 9:19 p.m.
      • 2nd roll notes at GG
        Timothy Chow -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 9:38 p.m.
        • 2nd roll notes at GG
          Stick -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 9:51 p.m.
          • 2nd roll notes at GG
            David Rockwell -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:22 p.m.
            • 2nd roll notes at GG
              Leonardo Jerkovic -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:29 p.m.
              • 2nd roll notes at GG
                Stick -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:51 p.m.
                • 2nd roll notes at GG
                  David Rockwell -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 11:02 p.m.
          • 2nd roll notes at GG
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 12:01 a.m.
            • 2nd roll notes at GG
              Stick -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 12:02 a.m.
              • 2nd roll notes at GG
                Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 12:28 a.m.
                • Page of links
                  Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 12:43 a.m.
                  • Page of links
                    Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 1:23 a.m.
                    • Page of links - Really a BGO FAQ *NM*
                      Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 3:24 a.m.
                      • How about a BGO Wiki? *NM*
                        Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 4:08 a.m.
                      • Page of links - Really a BGO FAQ
                        Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:57 a.m.
                        • Page of links - Really a BGO FAQ
                          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 6:44 a.m.
        • 2nd roll notes at GG
          Neil Robins -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 8:36 a.m.
      • "Stick's collection"?
        Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:34 a.m.
        • "Stick's collection"?
          Stick -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:37 a.m.
          • "Stick's collection"?
            David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:51 a.m.
      • 51S-33 — Gammon Go — GnuBg Rollout
        Taper_Mike -- Saturday, 5 May 2012, at 4:25 a.m.
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        Taper_Mike -- Saturday, 5 May 2012, at 4:33 a.m.
  • 2nd roll notes at GG
    neilkaz -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 9:48 p.m.
    • 2nd roll notes at GG
      David Rockwell -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:08 p.m.
      • 2nd roll notes at GG
        neilkaz -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:17 p.m.
        • 2nd roll notes at GG
          David Rockwell -- Monday, 21 December 2009, at 10:41 p.m.
          • 2nd roll notes at GG
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 12:11 a.m.
            • 2nd roll notes at GG
              Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 12:37 a.m.
              • 2nd roll notes at GG
                Stick -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 4:39 a.m.
            • 2nd roll notes at GG
              David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 1:16 a.m.
            • 2nd roll notes at GG
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 1:43 a.m.
              • 2nd roll notes at GG
                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 2:00 a.m.
                • 2nd roll notes at GG
                  David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 2:34 a.m.
                  • 2nd roll notes at GG
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 2:50 a.m.
                    • 2nd roll notes at GG
                      David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 3:20 a.m.
          • 2nd roll notes at GG
            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:38 a.m.
            • 2nd roll notes at GG
              David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:58 a.m.
              • 2nd roll notes at GG
                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 9:27 a.m.
              • 2nd roll notes at GG
                Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 2:52 a.m.
        • XG 4 ply RO started for 51S 62 at GG
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 4:38 p.m.
          • Short XG 3 ply RO for 51S 62 at GG
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 8:18 p.m.
  • 2nd roll notes at GG
    Nack Ballard -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 4:57 a.m.
    • 2nd roll notes at GG
      David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 5:48 a.m.
      • 2nd roll notes at GG
        Nack Ballard -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 11:58 a.m.
    • Nactation comment
      David Rockwell -- Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 6:22 p.m.
      • slot or not?
        Nack Ballard -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 12:50 a.m.
        • slot or not?
          Nack Ballard -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 12:56 a.m.
          • Nactation comment
            Nack Ballard -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 1:04 a.m.
            • Nactation comment
              Stick -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 1:32 a.m.
              • Neighbor Norton
                Nack Ballard -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 2:52 a.m.
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                  Stick -- Wednesday, 23 December 2009, at 3:20 a.m.
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#		Ply	Move	Equity
	1	R	13/5	+0.1765
			0.4605 0.1278 0.0158 - 0.5395 0.2552 0.0533 +0.1765 +0.1765 0.0012 0.0010 0.0012 - 0.0012 0.0035 0.0022 0.0032 0.0032
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 811585332 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
•	2	R	13/11 8/2*	+0.1762 ( -0.0003)
			0.4616 0.1265 0.0167 - 0.5384 0.2630 0.0654 +0.1762 +0.1762 0.0016 0.0011 0.0013 - 0.0016 0.0037 0.0026 0.0042 0.0042
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 811585332 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
	3	R	24/16	+0.1719 ( -0.0046)
			0.4795 0.1065 0.0129 - 0.5205 0.2188 0.0346 +0.1719 +0.1719 0.0012 0.0009 0.0011 - 0.0012 0.0033 0.0019 0.0030 0.0030
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 811585332 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
	4	R	24/18 13/11	+0.1693 ( -0.0072)
			0.4757 0.1090 0.0133 - 0.5243 0.2324 0.0372 +0.1693 +0.1693 0.0011 0.0010 0.0011 - 0.0011 0.0034 0.0019 0.0030 0.0030
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 811585332 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

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