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Another day, another bear-in - bot data

Posted By: Daniel Murphy
Date: Saturday, 2 June 2007, at 10:36 p.m.

In Response To: Another day, another bear-in (Daniel Murphy)

Thanks for your comments.

I hadn't intended to mislead anyone as to what Gnubg plays. I had evaluated 19 plays at 4-ply, botinaturally when I analyzed one more, 11/6 8/4, it turned out that 4-ply liked that play better than the rest, even though, according to Gnubg's estimate, of all the plays 10/5 8/4 attains the lowest EPC. Perhaps that's not accurate.

The score (after 4 games) is: White 4, Blue 4 (match to 7 points)

Move number 16: Blue to play 45

White112


 ' ' '1X3X5X '3X ' ' ' '

 ' ' ' '2O5O1O2O1O2O2O3X

Blue114

Position ID: 6D4HBwCwr7UBAA Match ID: cAn2AEAAIAAA

If you made the acepoint 6/1 5/1 you can honestly say "it may be wrong, it may be 38th best but according to the bot it's not a blunder."

Play 2-ply rank and equity 3-ply rank and equity 4-ply rank and equity EPC (not exact)
11/6 8/4 9. +0.1702 ( -0.0027) 22. +0.1607 ( -0.0062) 1. +0.1724 112.182
9/4 8/4 5. +0.1712 ( -0.0017) 21. +0.1607 ( -0.0062) 2. +0.1722 ( -0.0002) 112.070
10/6 9/4 4. +0.1716 ( -0.0013) 15. +0.1617 ( -0.0052) 3. +0.1721 ( -0.0003) 112.267
10/5 8/4 14. +0.1693 ( -0.0036) 12. +0.1623 ( -0.0046) 4. +0.1721 ( -0.0003) 111.984
11/6 9/5 2. +0.1724 ( -0.0005) 10. +0.1626 ( -0.0044) 5. +0.1720 ( -0.0004) 112.285
11/7 9/4 1. +0.1729 9. +0.1631 ( -0.0038) 6. +0.1716 ( -0.0008) 112.314
10/5 9/5 6. +0.1707 ( -0.0022) 3. +0.1645 ( -0.0024) 7. +0.1716 ( -0.0008) 112.221
10/6 10/5 11. +0.1698 ( -0.0031) 6. +0.1641 ( -0.0028) 8. +0.1713 ( -0.0011) 112.221
11/6 10/6 7. +0.1704 ( -0.0025) 17. +0.1617 ( -0.0052) 9. +0.1711 ( -0.0013) 112.598
8/4 8/3 18. +0.1674 ( -0.0055) 19. +0.1614 ( -0.0055) 10. +0.1710 ( -0.0014) 112.259
9/4 7/3 10. +0.1701 ( -0.0028) 20. +0.1612 ( -0.0057) 11. +0.1707 ( -0.0017) 112.211
11/7 10/5 3. +0.1716 ( -0.0013) 4. +0.1643 ( -0.0026) 12. +0.1705 ( -0.0019) 112.388
11/7 11/6 8. +0.1702 ( -0.0027) 1. +0.1669 13. +0.1703 ( -0.0021) 112.499
9/5 8/3 13. +0.1695 ( -0.0034) 13. +0.1622 ( -0.0047) 14. +0.1699 ( -0.0025) 112.257
10/5 7/3 16. +0.1686 ( -0.0042) 5. +0.1641 ( -0.0028) 15. +0.1699 ( -0.0025) 112.261
11/6 7/3 12. +0.1695 ( -0.0034) 7. +0.1641 ( -0.0028) 16. +0.1697 ( -0.0027) 112.460
10/6 8/3 17. +0.1684 ( -0.0044) 14. +0.1620 ( -0.0049) 17. +0.1692 ( -0.0032) 112.458
11/7 8/3 15. +0.1690 ( -0.0039) 8. +0.1637 ( -0.0032) 18. +0.1686 ( -0.0038) 112.481
8/4 7/2 23. +0.1640 ( -0.0089) 26. +0.1591 ( -0.0078) 19. +0.1655 ( -0.0069) 112.381
9/4 6/2 20. +0.1646 ( -0.0083) 23. +0.1606 ( -0.0063) 20. +0.1651 ( -0.0073)
9/5 7/2 21. +0.1645 ( -0.0084) 18. +0.1615 ( -0.0054) 21. +0.1640 ( -0.0084)
11/2 22. +0.1644 ( -0.0085) 11. +0.1624 ( -0.0045) 22. +0.1636 ( -0.0088) 112.792
10/6 7/2 19. +0.1647 ( -0.0082) 24. +0.1605 ( -0.0064) 23. +0.1634 ( -0.0091) 112.838
8/3 7/3 26. +0.1629 ( -0.0100) 2. +0.1648 ( -0.0021) 24. +0.1624 ( -0.0100)
10/5 6/2 27. +0.1625 ( -0.0104) 25. +0.1605 ( -0.0064) 25. +0.1618 ( -0.0106)
8/3 6/2 25. +0.1630 ( -0.0099) 16. +0.1617 ( -0.0052) 26. +0.1610 ( -0.0114) 112.805
8/4 6/1 34. +0.1604 ( -0.0125) 34. +0.1484 ( -0.0185) 27. +0.1608 ( -0.0116)
9/4 5/1 28. +0.1622 ( -0.0107) 28. +0.1514 ( -0.0155) 28. +0.1606 ( -0.0118)
9/5 6/1 31. +0.1617 ( -0.0112) 33. +0.1496 ( -0.0173) 29. +0.1600 ( -0.0125)
10/1 24. +0.1633 ( -0.0096) 30. +0.1507 ( -0.0162) 30. +0.1598 ( -0.0126) 112.945
11/6 5/1 30. +0.1618 ( -0.0111) 27. +0.1519 ( -0.0150) 31. +0.1596 ( -0.0128)
11/7 6/1 33. +0.1610 ( -0.0119) 29. +0.1508 ( -0.0161) 32. +0.1586 ( -0.0138)
7/3 6/1 29. +0.1620 ( -0.0109) 32. +0.1500 ( -0.0169) 33. +0.1584 ( -0.0141)
8/3 5/1 32. +0.1613 ( -0.0116) 31. +0.1501 ( -0.0168) 34. +0.1573 ( -0.0151)
7/2 5/1 35. +0.1565 ( -0.0163) 36. +0.1445 ( -0.0224) 35. +0.1506 ( -0.0218)
7/2 6/2 37. +0.1507 ( -0.0222) 35. +0.1449 ( -0.0221) 36. +0.1493 ( -0.0231)
6/2 6/1 36. +0.1522 ( -0.0206) 37. +0.1443 ( -0.0226) 37. +0.1493 ( -0.0231)
6/1 5/1 38. +0.1207 ( -0.0522) 38. +0.1109 ( -0.0560) 38. +0.1138 ( -0.0586) 113.961

I do not think this position supports the idea that 3-ply tends to play bear-ins a little better than 2-ply. But in Blue's previous position in the same game I do like 3-ply's play best:

The score (after 4 games) is: White 4, Blue 4 (match to 7 points)

Move number 14: Blue to play 45

White119


 ' ' ' '3X5X '3X ' '1X2O

 ' ' ' '2O5O1O1O '2O2O3X

Blue123

Position ID: cJ8jBwCwr2wGAA Match ID: cAn2AEAAIAAA

Alert: doubtful move ( -0.016)

# Ply Move Equity
1 4 11/6 8/4 +0.0688
0.5246 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4754 0.0008 0.0000
2 4 10/5 7/3 +0.0675 ( -0.0013)
0.5243 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4757 0.0008 0.0000
3 4 11/7 10/5 +0.0670 ( -0.0018)
0.5241 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4759 0.0007 0.0000
15 4 13/9 13/8 +0.0532 ( -0.0156)
0.5198 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.4802 0.0000 0.0000


Annotation
1. Cubeful 2-ply 11/7 10/5 Eq.: +0.0967

0.5334 0.0014 0.0000 - 0.4666 0.0011 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

2. Cubeful 2-ply 11/6 7/3 Eq.: +0.0960 ( -0.0007)

0.5332 0.0014 0.0000 - 0.4668 0.0013 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

3. Cubeful 2-ply 11/6 8/4 Eq.: +0.0942 ( -0.0025)

0.5324 0.0015 0.0000 - 0.4676 0.0014 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

4. Cubeful 2-ply 11/7 8/3 Eq.: +0.0927 ( -0.0040)

0.5318 0.0014 0.0000 - 0.4682 0.0011 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

5. Cubeful 2-ply 11/2 Eq.: +0.0897 ( -0.0070)

0.5311 0.0013 0.0000 - 0.4689 0.0014 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

6. Cubeful 2-ply 10/5 7/3 Eq.: +0.0897 ( -0.0070)

0.5311 0.0016 0.0000 - 0.4689 0.0012 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

7. Cubeful 2-ply 10/5 8/4 Eq.: +0.0874 ( -0.0093)

0.5304 0.0016 0.0000 - 0.4696 0.0013 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

8. Cubeful 2-ply 11/7 11/6 Eq.: +0.0867 ( -0.0100)

0.5300 0.0014 0.0000 - 0.4700 0.0009 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

9. Cubeful 2-ply 11/6 10/6 Eq.: +0.0837 ( -0.0131)

0.5293 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4707 0.0011 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

10. Cubeful 2-ply 11/7 6/1 Eq.: +0.0836 ( -0.0131)

0.5290 0.0012 0.0000 - 0.4710 0.0013 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

11. Cubeful 2-ply 11/6 5/1 Eq.: +0.0829 ( -0.0138)

0.5293 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4707 0.0017 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

12. Cubeful 2-ply 8/4 7/2 Eq.: +0.0827 ( -0.0140)

0.5288 0.0018 0.0000 - 0.4712 0.0017 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

13. Cubeful 2-ply 10/6 8/3 Eq.: +0.0827 ( -0.0140)

0.5289 0.0012 0.0000 - 0.4711 0.0012 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

14. Cubeful 2-ply 10/6 7/2 Eq.: +0.0761 ( -0.0206)

0.5269 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4731 0.0014 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

15. Cubeful 2-ply 10/6 10/5 Eq.: +0.0759 ( -0.0208)

0.5266 0.0013 0.0000 - 0.4734 0.0010 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

16. Cubeful 2-ply 13/9 13/8 Eq.: +0.0578 ( -0.0389)

0.5207 0.0002 0.0000 - 0.4793 0.0000 0.0000

2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

1. Cubeful 3-ply 13/9 13/8 Eq.: +0.0427

0.5137 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.4863 0.0000 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

2. Cubeful 3-ply 11/7 10/5 Eq.: +0.0321 ( -0.0106)

0.5101 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4899 0.0011 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

3. Cubeful 3-ply 11/7 11/6 Eq.: +0.0285 ( -0.0142)

0.5090 0.0009 0.0000 - 0.4910 0.0012 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

4. Cubeful 3-ply 11/7 8/3 Eq.: +0.0284 ( -0.0143)

0.5088 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4912 0.0012 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

5. Cubeful 3-ply 10/5 8/4 Eq.: +0.0280 ( -0.0146)

0.5089 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4911 0.0013 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

6. Cubeful 3-ply 10/5 7/3 Eq.: +0.0272 ( -0.0155)

0.5087 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4913 0.0013 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

7. Cubeful 3-ply 10/6 10/5 Eq.: +0.0268 ( -0.0159)

0.5086 0.0008 0.0000 - 0.4914 0.0012 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

8. Cubeful 3-ply 11/6 8/4 Eq.: +0.0260 ( -0.0167)

0.5082 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4918 0.0014 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

9. Cubeful 3-ply 11/2 Eq.: +0.0238 ( -0.0188)

0.5074 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4926 0.0014 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

10. Cubeful 3-ply 11/6 7/3 Eq.: +0.0236 ( -0.0191)

0.5076 0.0011 0.0000 - 0.4924 0.0014 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

11. Cubeful 3-ply 8/4 7/2 Eq.: +0.0228 ( -0.0199)

0.5073 0.0012 0.0000 - 0.4927 0.0016 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

12. Cubeful 3-ply 11/6 10/6 Eq.: +0.0225 ( -0.0201)

0.5072 0.0009 0.0000 - 0.4928 0.0013 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

13. Cubeful 3-ply 10/6 8/3 Eq.: +0.0224 ( -0.0203)

0.5072 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4928 0.0013 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

14. Cubeful 3-ply 10/6 7/2 Eq.: +0.0198 ( -0.0229)

0.5063 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4937 0.0014 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

15. Cubeful 3-ply 11/6 5/1 Eq.: +0.0135 ( -0.0292)

0.5041 0.0010 0.0000 - 0.4959 0.0014 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

16. Cubeful 3-ply 11/7 6/1 Eq.: +0.0122 ( -0.0305)

0.5034 0.0009 0.0000 - 0.4966 0.0011 0.0000

3-ply cubeful prune [grandmaster]

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