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Daily Quiz, race/bear-off positions
Posted By: kruidenbuiltje In Response To: Daily Quiz, race/bear-off positions (rambiz)
Date: Tuesday, 3 January 2012, at 10:38 a.m.
Hi rambiz,
I will tell you how far I came until now.
I will give a few examples, at first the position DQ(daily quiz) 1/4/2011 nr. 3
The first rule = 7xN +1 for a N-roll no miss position.
So white's EPC is clearly 15
black's is a bit higher, but how much?
For this I use a table that Mr Majestyk once put on the forum, about the wastage of single checkers:
For the 6 pt. to the 1 pt. its respectively:
4.2 / 4.3 / 4.6 / 5.2 / 6.2 / 7.2
In black's position we will have to shift the checker on the 4-point to the 2-point to get a no-miss position.
4 pt. = 4.6 ; 2 pt. = 6.2
the difference is 1.6 so blacks EPC = 15 + 1.6 = 16.6.
I get 15.2-16.8 for the position
GNU gives 15.0-16.6, pretty close.
Next example: 5/4/2011 nr. 3
Black is easy: 22
Now white: if the checkers of 5 and 4 would be on the 3-point this would be a near 3-roll position
The shift costs 0.9 + 0.6 = 1.5
So white has an EPC = 23.5
GNU gives 22-23.4, pretty close again.
Example 3: 7/4/2011 nr. 5
This position is no way close to a no-miss, so we need another reference.
Rule: a balanced position (2 checkers on each point) has a waste of 10 pips.
The white position is pretty balanced, we only need to shift a few checkers.
Shift the 1 to the 6 and shift the 2 to the 3 and the position is completely balanced:
cost: 3+1 = 4 + the standard 10 = 14.
The blot on the midpoint will not unbalance the situation much when coming in.
So the EPC for white is 56 + 14 = 70.
Now blue, lets shift 4 from the checkers on the 2-point to the 4-point.
Cost = 4 x 1.6 = 6.4.
The blue EPC = 10 + 6.4 + the original pipcount 44 = 60,4
GNU gives 60.3 - 69.8.
The next thing is: how do i calculate the last takepoint.
This is quite simple.
Example 1: 15.0 - 16.6
Number of rolls for the doubler (black)= 2,2 (EPC 15 = 2 rolls, every 0,7 extra EPC = 0,1 roll)
The point of last take = Number of rolls - 3 = 2.2 - 3 = -0.8.
So the point of last take = 16.6 - 0.8 = 15.8
White has an EPC of 15, so he is on the safe side (15.9 would have meant a pass)
Example 2: 22-23.4
Number of rolls for the doubler = 3
Point of last take = 22 - 0 (3-3) = 22.
23.4 is too high , so pass
Example 3: 60.3 - 69.8
Since we now don't have a reference to a no-miss-position there is a change.
What is the number of rolls here?
Based on a no-miss-position it woulds be between 8 (EPC 57) and 9 (EPC 64), say 8.5
But based on the average pips per roll (=8.17) it would be a 7.5 roll position.
I don't know exactly here what to do.
The point of last take = 60.3 + 5.5 (or 4.5) = 68.8 (or 67.8)
In both cases a pass.
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