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Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand

Posted By: Stick
Date: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, at 11:55 p.m.

In Response To: Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand (Tenland)

I'm having a hard time following what you're asking. Here are two full rollouts for those positions if they help any. In both scenarios making two points is only slightly better than splitting. The equity is vastly different in the two positions because 53P-31P-11 is a stronger position for the player winning the opening roll than 64P-31P-11. Let me know if I can be of any further help. (or lack thereof)

53P-31P-11

gnubg	163
user	159
Position ID: sGfwATCMZ/ABMA Match ID: cIkEAAAAAAAA

#		Ply	Move	Equity
•	1	R	8/7(2) 6/5(2)	+0.161
			0.539 0.176 0.010 - 0.461 0.144 0.007 +0.111 +0.161 0.000 0.001 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.001 0.003
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			15552 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1046457329 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
	2	R	24/22 6/5(2)	+0.157 ( -0.003)
			0.536 0.169 0.008 - 0.464 0.132 0.005 +0.112 +0.157 0.000 0.001 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.001 0.003
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			15552 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1046457329 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

64P-31P-11

gnubg	163
user	157
Position ID: sGfwATCGZ/ABMA Match ID: cIkEAAAAAAAA

#		Ply	Move	Equity
•	1	R	8/7(2) 6/5(2)	+0.043
			0.507 0.170 0.009 - 0.493 0.156 0.007 +0.030 +0.043 0.000 0.001 0.000 - 0.000 0.001 0.000 0.001 0.003
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			15552 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1050046090 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
	2	R	24/22 6/5(2)	+0.040 ( -0.003)
			0.507 0.160 0.007 - 0.493 0.142 0.006 +0.032 +0.040 0.000 0.001 0.000 - 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.001 0.003
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			15552 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1050046090 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Messages In This Thread

• Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
  Tenland -- Tuesday, 5 February 2013, at 7:52 p.m.
  • Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
    Stick -- Tuesday, 5 February 2013, at 11:55 p.m.
    • Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
      Smcrtorchs -- Wednesday, 6 February 2013, at 1:28 a.m.
      • Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
        Tenland -- Wednesday, 6 February 2013, at 7:15 p.m.
    • 64P-31P-11 — Index to Rollouts
      Taper_Mike -- Wednesday, 6 February 2013, at 10:14 a.m.
    • 53P-31P-11 — Index to Rollouts
      Taper_Mike -- Wednesday, 6 February 2013, at 10:15 a.m.
  • Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
    Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 6 February 2013, at 1:07 a.m.
    • Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
      Tenland -- Wednesday, 6 February 2013, at 7:58 p.m.
      • Third roll 11 after 53-31 and after 64P-31, I don't understand
        Timothy Chow -- Friday, 8 February 2013, at 12:20 a.m.