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Some further observations about David Presser's position

Posted By: David Presser
Date: Friday, 5 September 2014, at 3:30 a.m.

In Response To: Some further observations about David Presser's position (Timothy Chow)

I have given some thoughts to your observation. I believe that you are not focusing on the core - the 22 pt anchor.

To illustrate my point, I have rolled 64S-11@-44, i.e., just having the 22 pt anchor. The results show that it is the 22 pt anchor that lead to the play of volunteering a double shot in front of the mid-pt. I have rolled another variant in which I moved a spare to the opp’s 8 pt in order to strengthen his forward position. The volunteer play is clearly best in this variation. Note that, as in the original position (64S-22E-44), the rollout increases the equity of the volunteering a double shot play and XG++ evaluation has those wrong (as can be seen on the bottom for comparison).

I am still not sure I understand the logic. In your original comment you mentioned the family of volunteering a double shot with duplication. I was thinking that you may have a point there as the hitting numbers are also numbers that aren't blocking the anchor but don't see a reason to break the anchor as White is behind in the race.

It appears to be an interesting position although I am not sure how much we should get out of it in practice (at least until we understand it better).





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 163
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 157
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=---b--E-CA--eD---cAe----A-:0:0:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
Blue to play 44

1.Rollout124/16 18/14 13/9eq: +0.391
Player:
Opponent:
61.06% (G:9.37% B:0.42%)
38.94% (G:8.88% B:0.29%)
Conf.: ± 0.007 (+0.384...+0.398) - [96.2%]
Duration: 31 minutes 07 seconds
2.Rollout224/20 18/10 13/9eq: +0.381 (-0.009)
Player:
Opponent:
60.10% (G:11.73% B:0.46%)
39.90% (G:8.88% B:0.27%)
Conf.: ± 0.007 (+0.374...+0.389) - [3.8%]
Duration: 28 minutes 54 seconds
3.Rollout118/10 13/9(2)eq: +0.373 (-0.017)
Player:
Opponent:
59.55% (G:13.31% B:0.54%)
40.45% (G:8.92% B:0.31%)
Conf.: ± 0.008 (+0.366...+0.381) - [0.0%]
Duration: 27 minutes 07 seconds
4.3-ply18/6 13/9eq: +0.287 (-0.103)
Player:
Opponent:
58.95% (G:11.30% B:0.33%)
41.05% (G:8.82% B:0.22%)
5.3-ply18/14 13/5 9/5eq: +0.275 (-0.116)
Player:
Opponent:
57.93% (G:12.99% B:0.42%)
42.07% (G:8.61% B:0.27%)
1 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 5083637
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

2 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 15791908
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 158
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 157
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=---b--E-CA--dD---dAe----A-:0:0:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
Blue to play 44

1.Rollout124/16 18/14 13/9eq: +0.361
Player:
Opponent:
60.40% (G:8.77% B:0.37%)
39.60% (G:9.19% B:0.28%)
Conf.: ± 0.007 (+0.354...+0.368) - [100.0%]
Duration: 29 minutes 45 seconds
2.Rollout124/20 18/10 13/9eq: +0.330 (-0.031)
Player:
Opponent:
58.89% (G:11.37% B:0.46%)
41.11% (G:9.86% B:0.30%)
Conf.: ± 0.007 (+0.323...+0.337) - [0.0%]
Duration: 28 minutes 20 seconds
3.Rollout118/10 13/9(2)eq: +0.327 (-0.034)
Player:
Opponent:
58.70% (G:12.80% B:0.53%)
41.30% (G:9.62% B:0.30%)
Conf.: ± 0.008 (+0.319...+0.335) - [0.0%]
Duration: 25 minutes 56 seconds
4.4-ply18/6 13/9eq: +0.254 (-0.107)
Player:
Opponent:
57.73% (G:10.95% B:0.38%)
42.27% (G:9.24% B:0.26%)
5.3-ply18/14 13/5 9/5eq: +0.232 (-0.129)
Player:
Opponent:
56.67% (G:12.80% B:0.40%)
43.33% (G:9.20% B:0.28%)
1 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 27195853
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 163
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 157
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=---b--E-CA--eD---cAe----A-:0:0:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
Blue to play 44

1.XG Roller++18/10 13/9(2)eq: +0.380
Player:
Opponent:
59.83% (G:12.96% B:0.50%)
40.17% (G:8.33% B:0.26%)
2.XG Roller++24/16 18/14 13/9eq: +0.365 (-0.015)
Player:
Opponent:
60.79% (G:9.39% B:0.35%)
39.21% (G:8.32% B:0.25%)
3.XG Roller++24/20 18/10 13/9eq: +0.363 (-0.017)
Player:
Opponent:
60.06% (G:11.53% B:0.43%)
39.94% (G:8.53% B:0.26%)
4.3-ply18/6 13/9eq: +0.287 (-0.093)
Player:
Opponent:
58.95% (G:11.30% B:0.33%)
41.05% (G:8.82% B:0.22%)
5.3-ply18/14 13/5 9/5eq: +0.275 (-0.105)
Player:
Opponent:
57.93% (G:12.99% B:0.42%)
42.07% (G:8.61% B:0.27%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 158
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 157
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=---b--E-CA--dD---dAe----A-:0:0:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
Blue to play 44

1.XG Roller++24/16 18/14 13/9eq: +0.323
Player:
Opponent:
60.11% (G:8.78% B:0.34%)
39.89% (G:8.78% B:0.26%)
2.XG Roller++18/10 13/9(2)eq: +0.323 (0.000)
Player:
Opponent:
58.68% (G:12.31% B:0.49%)
41.32% (G:9.13% B:0.29%)
3.XG Roller++24/20 18/10 13/9eq: +0.303 (-0.020)
Player:
Opponent:
58.69% (G:11.05% B:0.41%)
41.31% (G:9.33% B:0.27%)
4.4-ply18/6 13/9eq: +0.254 (-0.070)
Player:
Opponent:
57.73% (G:10.95% B:0.38%)
42.27% (G:9.24% B:0.26%)
5.3-ply18/14 13/5 9/5eq: +0.232 (-0.091)
Player:
Opponent:
56.67% (G:12.80% B:0.40%)
43.33% (G:9.20% B:0.28%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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