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My take on the Giants list

Posted By: Florin Popa
Date: Wednesday, 24 February 2016, at 11:28 a.m.

In Response To: My take on the Giants list (Matt Cohn-Geier)

My thoughts are very similar, but I agree with Dorn jellybean analogy seems inapt in the context of The Giants List. I want to add that there is all about randomness, in the Giants voters have info but often they don't want or don't know to use it and instead want to pump someone (friend, same country, etc)

If we want to have a ranking by voting I would compare this with the Oscar process (there are Academies) to choose best film, so I think we neeed something like a pool of people who knows well how to evaluate a player and spend time to look at the results and PR list. It could be done in many ways, maybe federations can play a role.

I think we need a ranking based on other things, my opinion is a ranking is as good as is closer to the one a bookmaker would do, risking money he needs to adjust if is wrong. Looking to other disciplines some rankings are very good and some are not so good, the common thing is al are very good for the first positions but then contain more errors when you scroll it down.

Maybe we should look with analogy with other disciplines from ranking point of view, golf for example, but we have to consider some players are professional so they attend almost all tournaments. In backgammon also the "shape" plays ony a margina role

For the nature of backgammon (we can't wait years to have enogh data results) a PR ranking looks better than the others but we know PR has a few flaws. I prefer BMAB anyway because the conditions are the same for everyone, in tournaments with big money some adjust their play to opponent and someone not, also the cherry picking is an issue.

In conclusion I consider we need a rating to keep track of the results, it would involve people, and a PR (I hope in the future something else) which measures the skills. Then we could have a pool of competent people that evaluate both and vote to choose the best.

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    Ken Larsen -- Monday, 22 February 2016, at 2:11 p.m.
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      Rick Janowski -- Monday, 22 February 2016, at 2:28 p.m.
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        Ken Larsen -- Monday, 22 February 2016, at 2:42 p.m.
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            Ken Larsen -- Monday, 22 February 2016, at 4:03 p.m.
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        Dorn Bishop -- Wednesday, 24 February 2016, at 12:27 a.m.
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    Jake Jacobs -- Tuesday, 23 February 2016, at 1:33 a.m.
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    Florin Popa -- Wednesday, 24 February 2016, at 11:28 a.m.