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XG shows negative MWC?

Posted By: Chris Yep
Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2016, at 11:01 p.m.

In Response To: XG shows negative MWC? (David Levy)

It could be a bug. Can you reboot your computer and try to reproduce your rollouts? On my two computers (running a slightly different version of XG), I get more reasonable results.

While I wouldn't necessarily consider a slightly negative MWC to be a bug (many people would though; see explanation below), the reported normalized equity for 21/14 is way off (based on 3.28% wins [no gammons] and 96.72% losses). (Note: I don't consider -1.53% MWC to be a "slightly negative" MWC.)

For 21/17 18/15, 3.30% wins (no gammons) corresponds to -0.934 normalized equity (or if 3.30% is a rounded number and it's actually 3.295% wins, -0.9341 normalized equity). Note that the cube is frozen at 1 due to the Crawford rule. The difference between -0.934 and -0.941 could be explained by statistical noise in the rollout (note that XGR+, XGR++, and your rollout are all rollouts which are adjusted at the end by the sum of the variance reduction effects).

For 21/14, 3.28% wins (no gammons) corresponds to -0.9344 normalized equity (if it's actually 3.275% wins, -0.9345 normalized equity). The difference between -0.9344 (-0.9345) and -1.169 is huge. My guess is that it's due to a bug that occurred during your rollout.

Note: If the correct normalized equity is -1.000 (0% MWC) and a rollout says normalized equity = -1.001 (i.e. a slightly negative MWC) due to noise in the rollout, I wouldn't complain, though I would advise Xavier to put some "sanity" checks into XG to prohibit negative MWCs in the final rollout result (actually, I think he already added various sanity checks to the XG code at some point in time).

On my two computers running XG 2.19.211.pre-release (using seed 1, the same seed that you used) I get these results:





White is Player 1

score: 6
pip: 26
7 point match
Crawford
pip: 164
score: 0

Blue is Player 2
XGID=-DEBcbAa----------bb-bc---:0:0:-1:43:6:0:1:7:10
Blue to play 43

1.Rollout121/17 18/15eq: -0.9339
Player:
Opponent:
3.30% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
96.70% (G:95.31% B:0.45%)
Conf.: ±0.0010 (-0.9350...-0.9329) - [83.8%]
Duration: 30.5 seconds
2.Rollout121/14eq: -0.9347 (-0.0008)
Player:
Opponent:
3.26% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
96.74% (G:95.28% B:0.33%)
Conf.: ±0.0012 (-0.9359...-0.9336) - [16.2%]
Duration: 28.5 seconds
1 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

In the above rollouts, -0.9339 normalized equity corresponds to 0.597% MWC. -0.9447 normalized equity corresponds to 0.590% MWC.

XGR+:





White is Player 1

score: 6
pip: 26
7 point match
Crawford
pip: 164
score: 0

Blue is Player 2
XGID=-DEBcbAa----------bb-bc---:0:0:-1:43:6:0:1:7:10
Blue to play 43

1.XG Roller+21/14eq: -0.9366
Player:
Opponent:
3.17% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
96.83% (G:95.30% B:0.53%)
2.XG Roller+21/17 18/15eq: -0.9379 (-0.0013)
Player:
Opponent:
3.10% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
96.90% (G:95.39% B:0.53%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

XGR++:





White is Player 1

score: 6
pip: 26
7 point match
Crawford
pip: 164
score: 0

Blue is Player 2
XGID=-DEBcbAa----------bb-bc---:0:0:-1:43:6:0:1:7:10
Blue to play 43

1.XG Roller++21/17 18/15eq: -0.9361
Player:
Opponent:
3.19% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
96.81% (G:95.21% B:0.50%)
2.XG Roller++21/14eq: -0.9362 (-0.0001)
Player:
Opponent:
3.19% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
96.81% (G:95.24% B:0.48%)

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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