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Larsen-Silliman ranking of U.S. players
Posted By: Stick In Response To: Larsen-Silliman ranking of U.S. players (TraumaBG)
Date: Tuesday, 13 September 2016, at 10:51 a.m.
First, I would not call it an abrupt cut off as UBK did. Most systems that use a 1 year or 2 year etc... time frame use a rolling ranking which uses the last 12 months or 24 months etc... Tennis does not 'time discount' its results/ratings since it only goes back 1 year from the present date. It used to be called just the ATP and then the ATP Tour and currently is called the ATP World Tour. The naming doesn't really matter.
There is no such thing as an ATP 200 event as was mentioned by TraumaBG. Maybe he mistyped '250' which is the next step. Here's the run down of tennis events concerning points potentially awarded. I've noted how many points the winner receives but many (if not, and usually, all) players receive points no matter their results/how far they went in the tournament.
- Grand Slam (Australian, French, Wimbledon, US Open) - 2000
- ATP World Tour Finals - 1,100-1,500 (1 event, London)
- ATP World Tour Masters 1000 - 1,000 (9 events)
- ATP World Tour 500 Series - 500 (13 events)
- ATP World Tour 250 Series - 250 (39 events)
- ATP Challenger Tour - 80-125 (178 events)
- Futures (ITF Men's Circuit) - 18-35 (534 events)
He also said "They also penalize for withdraws so if you get accepted to an event and end up not playing it counts as a 0 and an event played." I don't know exactly what is meant by that sentence. You are permitted to withdraw prior to the freeze date and even 3x a year you may withdraw late. (details omitted because you don't care) Even if you don't show up for a tournament you're committed to you will only receive a 'no show' fine. By it 'counting as a 0' I guess you don't receive any ATP points but that's not exactly a penalty nor does it really matter.
Ken said "by the time you're 30, you're old age in tennis" which has a strong ring of truth but also should be heavily discounted in the current environment. 30 years old is the age where players historically decline, having a tough time winning events, esp. the big ones, after this age. Still, the top 5 ranked players are currently Djokovic (29 yo), Murray (29 yo), Federer (34 yo), Nadal (30 yo), and Wawrinka (31 yo). I wouldn't exactly call it death being of that age in today's conditions since this is the top 5 line up. Novak and Murray did recently turn 29 fwiw, Nadal just turned 30, whereas Federer just turned 35.
As far as poker is concerned even I am fairless clueless about how the rankings are calculated. For the most part, poker players don't give a shit. It's meaningless to a point. Sure, there are a few players who do care because you can win player of the year but outside of that I don't know what it gets you. Sponsorship maybe? I think the ratings take the last 3 years' worth of results with more recent results weighing more heavily. (aging factor)
Stick
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