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USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue

Posted By: Bill Riles
Date: Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 1:23 a.m.

In Response To: USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue (Ken Larsen)

You're an American also. Do you recall voting on obamacare? I didn't think so. Our elected representatives did so. As did our elected USBGF representatives in this circumstance. We have another USBGF election this fall. Serious, interested, involved, and productive (working) candidates are always welcome.

Seriously, Ken, I think every possible opinion was considered and extensively debated, over a two year period, by the Rules and Ethics Committee and by the Board of Directors -- vehemently, at times. Testing and experimentation reinforced our decisions. If we had a referendum on every single issue absolutely nothing would ever be accomplished.

The elected Board of Directors and two esteemed, non-Board members feel these rules are most comprehensive and fair, incorporating tradition and current best practice.

We request members try and experience the rules, not merely react on personal preference and emotion. We are open to feedback based on experience, not upon opinion.

Other federations have addressed some of the same issues by providing for stopping and resetting the delay on clocks with EVERY occurrence of cocked dice, including dice on checkers. Do you think this is cleaner and more efficient? Or does this slow the game and introduce far more opportunities for complications and dispute?

I respect your opinions and your arguments. I only ask that they be based on fact and experience rather than on emotion. Try it, as I and others have; I think you'll find it not so objectionable.

And, Ken, seriously, don't degrade yourself with silly arguments about shaking dice touching your fingers. We all know those regulations pertain to the actual rolling of the dice, nothing more.

Try the rules. Then comment. Thank you.

Messages In This Thread

• USBGF Rules
  Bill Riles -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 9:53 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Art Grater -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 11:45 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
    Ken Larsen -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 9:02 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Stick -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 9:36 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Mike Clapsadle -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 12:39 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          Casper Van der Tak -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:55 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:25 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Bill Riles -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:44 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 5:38 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
            Bill Riles -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 8:57 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Bill Riles -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:17 p.m.
      • Commenting on the rules
        Bob Koca -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:37 p.m.
        • Commenting on the rules
          Taper_Mike -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 4:02 p.m.
        • Commenting on the rules
          Art Grater -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 7:22 p.m.
          • Commenting on the rules
            Marcel Jochem -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 9:25 a.m.
            • Commenting on the rules
              Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 6:54 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 2:03 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          Seth -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 4:21 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:24 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
      Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 4:29 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
        Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 10:03 p.m.
        • One Clarification
          Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 10:13 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
          Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 11:23 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
            Stick -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 12:24 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
        neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:21 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
          Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 3:05 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 3:21 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
            Bill Riles -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 4:25 a.m.
            • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
              Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 11:48 a.m.
              • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                Bill Riles -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:54 p.m.
                • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                  Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 5:08 p.m.
                  • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                    Tom Keith -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 6:46 p.m.
                    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                      Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 7:03 p.m.
                  • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                    neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 7:46 p.m.
                    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                      Colin Owen -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 12:53 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a great step forward
      neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:35 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Joe Russell -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:52 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Marty Storer -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 8:36 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      willballard -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 3:28 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Marty Storer -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 6:02 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          willballard -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 12:34 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules--My take
    Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 4:45 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules--My take
      Art Grater -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 3:54 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules--My take (Why rules should be standardized worldwide)
        Ken Larsen -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 6:59 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules--My take--answering Art's question
        Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 7:30 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules--My take--answering Art's question
          Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 2:21 p.m.
          • About "changing" the rules of the game--clarification and recommendation
            Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 3:17 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Albert Steg -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 10:34 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules
      Art Grater -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 6:49 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules - Here is a link to them
    Kevin Finch -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 4:15 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
      Ken Larsen -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 6:29 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
        Albert Steg -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 12:33 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Marty Storer -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 8:43 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
        Bill Riles -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 1:23 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 3:13 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 4:57 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
            Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 5:21 a.m.
            • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
              Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 8:10 a.m.
            • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
              Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 8:59 a.m.
              • Elected officials
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 2:33 p.m.
                • Elected officials
                  mfic -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 6:54 p.m.
                  • Elected officials
                    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 12 October 2016, at 12:41 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - We need worldwide consistency
          Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 7:26 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - We need worldwide consistency
            Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 9:07 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - We need worldwide consistency
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:28 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Chris Haviland -- Tuesday, 18 October 2016, at 6:19 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
        Joe Russell -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:48 a.m.
      • Ignore below, wrong section of thread! *NM*
        Joe Russell -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:54 a.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Michael Mesich -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 9:57 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules-End of turn
    Kevin McDonough -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 7:06 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules-End of turn
      Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 9:23 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules-End of turn
        MishyPoo -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 1:44 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules-End of turn
        Michael Mesich -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 3:02 a.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Barry Silliman -- Wednesday, 12 October 2016, at 9:42 p.m.