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USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue

Posted By: Chris Haviland
Date: Tuesday, 18 October 2016, at 6:19 p.m.

In Response To: USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue (Bill Riles)

I don't see how Ken is "degrading himself" by pointing out the dice touch your hand when you shake them, and the new rules say the dice shall not touch the roller's hand "during this process". Yes, all experienced tournament players will know that shaking up and down is very common and often preferred. Drawing on that experience, the reasonable interpretation for "During this process" is just the second half of the process -- where the dice are rolled out. But many rule sets try to be comprehensive and assume some fraction of the target audience will be genuine novices. It's not hard to imagine a player that learned online introducing the game to a friend over a real board. I think that demographic, equipped with these rules, is likely to conclude that letting the dice touch your fingers while shaking is unacceptable. It's not much of a practical issue since that group may not seek out "USBGF Tournament Rules", and conducting a backgammon tournament without ever having seen one or played in one is very unlikely. However, I think the language could be improved for the sake of clarity and for the benefit of new players, even if some experienced players find the argument silly. -Chris H.

Messages In This Thread

• USBGF Rules
  Bill Riles -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 9:53 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Art Grater -- Thursday, 6 October 2016, at 11:45 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
    Ken Larsen -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 9:02 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Stick -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 9:36 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Mike Clapsadle -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 12:39 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          Casper Van der Tak -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:55 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:25 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Bill Riles -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:44 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 5:38 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
            Bill Riles -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 8:57 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Bill Riles -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:17 p.m.
      • Commenting on the rules
        Bob Koca -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 1:37 p.m.
        • Commenting on the rules
          Taper_Mike -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 4:02 p.m.
        • Commenting on the rules
          Art Grater -- Friday, 7 October 2016, at 7:22 p.m.
          • Commenting on the rules
            Marcel Jochem -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 9:25 a.m.
            • Commenting on the rules
              Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 6:54 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 2:03 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          Seth -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 4:21 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:24 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
      Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 4:29 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
        Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 10:03 p.m.
        • One Clarification
          Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 10:13 p.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
          Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 11:23 p.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
            Stick -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 12:24 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
        neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:21 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
          Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 3:05 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 3:21 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
            Bill Riles -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 4:25 a.m.
            • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
              Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 11:48 a.m.
              • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                Bill Riles -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:54 p.m.
                • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                  Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 5:08 p.m.
                  • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                    Tom Keith -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 6:46 p.m.
                    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                      Ken Larsen -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 7:03 p.m.
                  • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                    neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 7:46 p.m.
                    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule (pictures)
                      Colin Owen -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 12:53 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a great step forward
      neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:35 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Joe Russell -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:52 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      Marty Storer -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 8:36 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
      willballard -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 3:28 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
        Marty Storer -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 6:02 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - permitting dice to land on checkers is a bad rule
          willballard -- Tuesday, 11 October 2016, at 12:34 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules--My take
    Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 4:45 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules--My take
      Art Grater -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 3:54 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules--My take (Why rules should be standardized worldwide)
        Ken Larsen -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 6:59 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules--My take--answering Art's question
        Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 7:30 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules--My take--answering Art's question
          Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 2:21 p.m.
          • About "changing" the rules of the game--clarification and recommendation
            Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 19 October 2016, at 3:17 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Albert Steg -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 10:34 a.m.
    • USBGF Rules
      Art Grater -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 6:49 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules - Here is a link to them
    Kevin Finch -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 4:15 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
      Ken Larsen -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 6:29 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
        Albert Steg -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 12:33 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Marty Storer -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 8:43 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
        Bill Riles -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 1:23 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 3:13 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 4:57 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
            Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 5:21 a.m.
            • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
              Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 8:10 a.m.
            • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
              Art Grater -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 8:59 a.m.
              • Elected officials
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 2:33 p.m.
                • Elected officials
                  mfic -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 6:54 p.m.
                  • Elected officials
                    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 12 October 2016, at 12:41 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - We need worldwide consistency
          Ken Larsen -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 7:26 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - We need worldwide consistency
            Casper Van der Tak -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 9:07 a.m.
          • USBGF Rules - We need worldwide consistency
            neilkaz -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:28 a.m.
        • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
          Chris Haviland -- Tuesday, 18 October 2016, at 6:19 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules - Valid roll issue
        Joe Russell -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:48 a.m.
      • Ignore below, wrong section of thread! *NM*
        Joe Russell -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 2:54 a.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Michael Mesich -- Saturday, 8 October 2016, at 9:57 p.m.
  • USBGF Rules-End of turn
    Kevin McDonough -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 7:06 p.m.
    • USBGF Rules-End of turn
      Dorn Bishop -- Sunday, 9 October 2016, at 9:23 p.m.
      • USBGF Rules-End of turn
        MishyPoo -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 1:44 a.m.
      • USBGF Rules-End of turn
        Michael Mesich -- Monday, 10 October 2016, at 3:02 a.m.
  • USBGF Rules
    Barry Silliman -- Wednesday, 12 October 2016, at 9:42 p.m.