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51S-21-g Can this possibly be right?
Posted By: Kye Hedlund In Response To: 51S-21-g Can this possibly be right? (Philip Cherrington)
Date: Sunday, 9 January 2011, at 7:16 p.m.
David Rockwell had a very useful post about 2nd move gg play. I don't have the forum link but a copy of the post is below (along with Nack's response).
--- Kye Hedlund
2nd roll notes at GG Posted By: David Rockwell <Rockwell.David@gmail.com> Date: Monday, 21 December 2009, at 8:54 p.m.
I’ve put together some notes about some interesting 2nd roll moves at GG. I’m sure some of these will change as rollouts are extended. I’m not going to interpret the Nactation used here other than a few unusual cases. Hopefully everyone is getting comfortable with it by now. I’m only listing moves that play differently at GG and money. For example, after 43U for money it is correct to respond with 65S. So, 43U is not listed in the 65S section below since the response is the same at money and GG.
1. Play 21$ into the double shot after 21S, 41S and 52S in addition to 51S. Play 51$ and 62$ in response to 51S.
2. Play 22N rather than the defensive E on many rolls (31P, 32D, 41S, 42P, 43D, 54D [very close], 64P). It is interesting to note that for money, 22H is the correct response to 64S. But, at GG, it is correct to eschew the hit and play N. Hitting is not always the most aggressive play.
3. 33A is correct most of the time in place of an unaggressive money play (21S, 21$, 31P, 32D, 41$, 43D, 51$, 54D, 61P, 64P). After 51S and 32S, the more aggressive 33N replaces the money play B. Similarly, after 53P, 33E is correct instead of B.
4. 33o (Outer, 13-7*, 8-5(2)) is best after an opening 6xS rather than the usual P.
5. 44A or P is sometimes better than an unaggressive move used for money (21S, 32S, 51S, 63S, 63R, 64P). This is less likely to be true than it is for the 33 response. B is still often correct. 44D (Down 24-16*, 13-9(2) with the hit assumed) is best after 64S rather than R. D is also best after 43D rather than B.
6. 65S is usually correct when the opener has left one or more blots in the offensive outfield. (21S, 32D, 32S, 32Z, 41S, 43S, 43Z, 43D). Note that 21$ and 41$ are exceptions to this rule. The hit and cover threat is too strong.
7. Play 65H (Hit, with the second checker played from the midpoint, 13-7, 6-1*) after an opening running move (62R, 63R, 64R, 65R).
8. After an opening 6xS, it is correct to play 66K (Kill - hitting two, 13-7*(2), 7-1*(2)) rather than the customary B.
I just missed 41S-33 on my list. Thank you! I only mentioned themes which I found for multiple rolls. So, I skipped 41S-63X (Hit and Split, 24-21, 8-2*) which appears to be alone. It is interesting and worth mentioning. I have 43D-64 [S D27 R43 P50] - 1k at GG. I know that 1k isn't worth much. But, I always want to have SOMETHING. So, I have my slower machines working day and night on 1k rollouts like this. Then I extend the ones that make sense to extend as time permits. I have 53P-33 [E B2] - 1k at GG. It looks like I omitted A from the candidates for reasons unknown. I will have to check up on this and correct. I suppose that A is best or close.
Posted By: Nack Ballard <nack2000@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tuesday, 22 December 2009, at 4:57 a.m. In Response To: 2nd roll notes at GG (David Rockwell) Excellent post, David. What a wealth of information! It seems to me that Gnu is a bit on the slot-happy side in its rollout results. Even so, on a quick look-through, I’m inclined to agree with all of Gnu’s GG rollout choices for the opening replies except: 51S-62 [$ H0.3 R4.6 S7.2] 5k – I currently prefer third place R. 52S-21 [$ H1.6] 15k -- I currently prefer H. I see three positions of note that you didn’t mention in your initial post: 41S-33: I have [A B3] 5k. Does your rollout show otherwise? 41S-63: I have [X S2.5] 5k, whereas for money it is [S X30+]. 43D-64: Money rollouts are Gnu [R S1.5] 46k and Snowie [R S13] 10k. I have no GG rollout but assume S is best. For 53P-33, you meant that A is best (not E), right? 33o is a classy way to nactate 33: 13/7* 8/5(2), though I’ll point out an option some might prefer, which is 335 (with the hit assumed).
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