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Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal

Posted By: Daniel Murphy
Date: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 3:47 p.m.

In Response To: Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal (Phil Simborg)

Sorry, Phil, which part was supposed to be interesting and insightful?

Garal is still fixated on his idea that backgammon tournaments aren't "fair" unless everyone plays the same number of games. His "solution" is to have players play "matches" which are each a fixed number of money games. He's also a fan of his complicated "fair" scoring system. And of his "fair" payout structure which -- according to his example -- in a 32-player tournament would split only one-half the prize money among the top 8 finishers and the rest among all the players who hadn't lost their original stake (it's complicated). Then he chalks up all the supposed "advantages" of "fair backgammon" tournaments and claims, rather baldly, that they make not only for a better tournament for players, but will enable organizers to take a larger rake!

I paraphrase¹: It is important to the backgammon community that experts win tournaments because experts decide who is in the biennial Giants List and the last one in 2009 only had two players in the top 32 who had ever won in Monte Carlo.

Does that make sense to you? Me neither. There are actually four former "world champions" in the 2009 Top 32, but whatever.

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¹ "Only 1 of 3 recipients (28%) has understood how important for BG-community to have their experts and other good players in the top of the rating table. Why? Because in the reality we have some kind of expert’s opinions who decide about the BG-giants every two years and offer us their estimations in form of 32 BG-Giants list of the World, and we have World Backgammon Championship in Monte Carlo the winner of which could be NOBODY! In the last 2009 list there were only two World Champions between 32 giants: Mochy (place 1– he won in 2009 WC) and double World Champion Bill Robertie (place 26). There are no other World Champions between 32 Giants!"

Messages In This Thread

• Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
  Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 2:12 p.m.
  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 3:09 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      garyo -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 5:09 p.m.
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        garyo -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 5:11 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:50 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Julia Hayward -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 9:57 a.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 11:18 a.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 12:21 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 11:29 p.m.
              • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 9:09 a.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 11:59 a.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:19 p.m.
                    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                      Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 2:12 p.m.
                      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                        Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 3:18 p.m.
                      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                        Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 3:27 p.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 4:16 p.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 4:46 p.m.
                  • Probability to win a unlimited session of 10 games
                    eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 5:31 p.m.
                    • Probability to win a unlimited session of 10 games
                      Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 6:47 p.m.
                      • Probability to win a unlimited session of 10 games
                        Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 6:52 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 11:38 a.m.
              • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:16 p.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:35 p.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:52 p.m.
                    • Calculating winning probability - job for BobKoca
                      mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 1:24 p.m.
                      • Calculating winning probability - job for BobKoca
                        Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 1:43 p.m.
                        • Calculating winning probability - job for BobKoca
                          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 9:01 p.m.
                    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                      Casper van der Tak -- Friday, 9 September 2011, at 6:29 p.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Julia Hayward -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 1:16 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 11:20 p.m.
  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
    Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 3:47 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:03 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:50 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 1 September 2011, at 9:54 a.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 11:27 p.m.
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      Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 9:01 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Casper van der Tak -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 9:07 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 11:05 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 10:28 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 10:49 p.m.
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        Jason Lee -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 1:11 a.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 8:12 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:07 a.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:15 a.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 8:18 a.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 5:40 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 8:23 p.m.
              • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 9:03 p.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 10:22 p.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 10:59 p.m.
                    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                      Jakob Garal -- Wednesday, 7 September 2011, at 10:52 a.m.
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    Stick -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 4:29 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      neilkaz -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 7:45 p.m.
      • +1 don't sell cucumbers to the cucumber farmer.
        svilo -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 9:24 p.m.
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    Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 5:17 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:48 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 9:09 p.m.
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    Jason Lee -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 11:34 p.m.
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      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 1 September 2011, at 7:58 a.m.
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        Stick -- Thursday, 1 September 2011, at 8:24 a.m.