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Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal

Posted By: Daniel Murphy
Date: Monday, 5 September 2011, at 8:12 p.m.

In Response To: Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal (Jakob Garal)

Your premise is that backgammon would be improved if tournament conditions were changed to reduce the factor of luck so that the best players always win the big prizes in all tournaments.

(You say that the best 8 players in a tournament should always finish on top. Alternatively you say that 8 of the best 32 players in a tournament should always finish on top. Alternatively you say that there should be "very few place for any random results. Only between the best top players." I think you should make up your mind.)

My question is: why should we believe your premise? You need to demonstrate that your premise is correct, before we even get to considering whether your proposed changes would in fact ensure that "the best 8 players should be the best top players."

You claim you have received no "unemotional" critical responses here. I don't agree. But let me note that several of your other notions about what's best for backgammon ("fairness" in backgammon) have already received a critical response in the forum at DBgF and in the currently unavailable forum at Gammonlife.com.

Also, let's recall that in your article on Phil Simborg's website, you yourself criticized the 72% of the responders to Chicago Point Poll #27 who did not select the answer that "BG directors should strive to make their events as skilful as possible ... so the best players win more often." You write: "Only 1 of 3 recipients (28%) has understood how important for BG-community to have their experts and other good players in the top of the rating table."

They're wrong, and you're right? Please make your case, to those 72%, and to us.

Messages In This Thread

• Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
  Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 2:12 p.m.
  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 3:09 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      garyo -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 5:09 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        garyo -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 5:11 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:50 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Julia Hayward -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 9:57 a.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 11:18 a.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Casper van der Tak -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 12:21 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 11:29 p.m.
              • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 9:09 a.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 11:59 a.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:19 p.m.
                    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                      Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 2:12 p.m.
                      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                        Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 3:18 p.m.
                      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                        Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 3:27 p.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 4:16 p.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 4:46 p.m.
                  • Probability to win a unlimited session of 10 games
                    eXtreme Gammon -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 5:31 p.m.
                    • Probability to win a unlimited session of 10 games
                      Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 6:47 p.m.
                      • Probability to win a unlimited session of 10 games
                        Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 6:52 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 11:38 a.m.
              • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:16 p.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:35 p.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:52 p.m.
                    • Calculating winning probability - job for BobKoca
                      mtuhtan -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 1:24 p.m.
                      • Calculating winning probability - job for BobKoca
                        Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 1:43 p.m.
                        • Calculating winning probability - job for BobKoca
                          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 9:01 p.m.
                    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                      Casper van der Tak -- Friday, 9 September 2011, at 6:29 p.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Julia Hayward -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 1:16 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 11:20 p.m.
  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
    Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 3:47 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:03 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:50 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 1 September 2011, at 9:54 a.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 11:27 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 9:01 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Casper van der Tak -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 9:07 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 11:05 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 10:28 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Sunday, 4 September 2011, at 10:49 p.m.
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        Jason Lee -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 1:11 a.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 8:12 p.m.
        • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
          Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:07 a.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 12:15 a.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 8:18 a.m.
          • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
            Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 5:40 p.m.
            • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
              Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 8:23 p.m.
              • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 9:03 p.m.
                • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                  Jakob Garal -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 10:22 p.m.
                  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                    Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 6 September 2011, at 10:59 p.m.
                    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
                      Jakob Garal -- Wednesday, 7 September 2011, at 10:52 a.m.
  • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
    Stick -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 4:29 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      neilkaz -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 7:45 p.m.
      • +1 don't sell cucumbers to the cucumber farmer.
        svilo -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 9:24 p.m.
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    Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 5:17 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 8:48 p.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 9:09 p.m.
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    Jason Lee -- Wednesday, 31 August 2011, at 11:34 p.m.
    • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 1 September 2011, at 7:58 a.m.
      • Tournament Format and Prize Sharing By Dr. Garal
        Stick -- Thursday, 1 September 2011, at 8:24 a.m.