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Plz help a fellow out why take ? - RO
Posted By: Daniel Murphy In Response To: Plz help a fellow out why take ? (Sebastiaan Kuijs)
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2012, at 1:28 a.m.
Normal game. Blue on roll.
White 99
Blue 117 Position ID: 2Z8DABgzuwMCGA Match ID: UQkAAAAAAAAA Here's the rollout. Note the "cubeless" game results.
Cube decision Rollout cubeless equity +0.5535 Cubeful equities: 1. Double, take +0.9520 2. Double, pass +1.0000 +0.0480 3. No double +0.8409 -0.1110 Proper cube action: Redouble, take Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Player Blue owns 2-cube 0.7068 0.1930 0.0067 - 0.2932 0.0582 0.0016 +0.5535 +0.8409 Standard error 0.0006 0.0012 0.0002 - 0.0006 0.0006 0.0001 0.0019 0.0042 Player White owns 4-cube 0.7155 0.1977 0.0076 - 0.2845 0.0615 0.0019 +1.1456 +0.9520 Standard error 0.0009 0.0019 0.0003 - 0.0009 0.0007 0.0001 0.0054 0.0066 Full cubeful rollout with var.redn. 2592 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 907323591 and quasi-random dice Play: supremo 2-ply cubeful prune [world class] keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 16 more moves within equity 0.32 Skip pruning for 1-ply moves. Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
And here are some cubeful statistics, using the Gnubg "show statistics" feature.
Holding a 4-cube, White 32.48% of all games, instead of 28.45%. That's a gain of 4.03%. And White saves some gammons, too, losing 19.09% gammons/backgammons, instead of 19.77%.
White manages to redouble to 8 more than one-third of the time -- 34.45% of all games. 58% of his redoubles get a pass. And that means 20% of all games end in redouble/pass. At the point of redouble/pass, White's cubeless GWC might be anywhere from 75% to 100%. Since almost all of the games White wins with a double/pass are 8-cubes, if we set White's average GWC at the point of double/pass to 80%, that would account for the 4% difference in games won cubeful versus cubeless. Without the cube, White would have lost 20% of those games, that is, instead of winning 20% of all games with the cube, he would have only won 80% of the 20%, or 16%.
Winning games with redouble to 8/pass is one of two reasons that White's cubeful equity is higher than his cubeless equity. The other reason is that White wins a majority of the games in which Blue takes the 8-cube.
If we ignore the final cube value, the cubeful game breakdown for White is
Win Win G+BG Win BG Lose Lose G+BG Lose BG 32.48 2.81 0.15 67.52 19.09 0.69 which attains an equity of -0.5186, or -1.0372 after the initial double/take. In other words, being able to double Blue out increases White's equity from an estimate -1.1456 cubeless to -1.0372 cubeful. But that's still short of take. White makes up the difference with his performance in the games in which he redoubles the stakes once again by giving an 8-cube that is taken. The cube reaches at least 8 about 14.5% of the time, and White wins 71.5% of those, which is about 10.4% of all games, compared to the 4.1% of all games that White loses whenever the cube reaches 8 or higher. And about 11% of White's 8-cube wins are gammons, so that helps too.
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