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Posted By: Stick
Date: Sunday, 9 December 2007, at 6:16 p.m.

In Response To: Remembering from the "bible" (neilkaz)

First of all, things to note about the position. It arose from someone misplaying a 2nd roll. 54S/63? should be played by hitting off the 5pt and since you know this, your opponent will never have to make the decision we're faced with here right?

Anyway, aside from knowing the answer is making the 5pt by a veritable country mile, how do we get there? After an opening 63R if we were to have a 31 to play, what would we play?

If we don't hit and passively make the 5pt here we've essentially allowed our opponent's checker to escape. He'll safety his checker and maintain his racing lead, currently 5 pips + on roll. If we do hit I think it's clear that even though a builder on our 9pt is more valuable than a builder on our 10pt, using the ace to split the back checkers takes precedence over that minor improvement. By hitting we take the initiative, take away half our opponent's roll, bring a builder into our outfield, and split our back checkers giving us more control over our opponent's outfield and more anchor making numbers. Hitting and splitting is clearly correct.

gnubg158


2O ' ' ' '5X '3X ' ' '5O

1X ' ' ' '5O '3O '1X '5X

user167

Position ID: 4HPwCSDgc/ABMA Match ID: cIkFAAAAAAAA

# Ply Move Equity
1 R 24/23 13/10* +0.0612
0.51320.14180.0053-0.48680.12280.0051 +0.0457 +0.0612
0.00080.00090.0002-0.00080.00090.0003 0.0033 0.0021
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1016786884 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
2 R 13/10*/9 +0.0465 ( -0.0147)
0.50820.14910.0071-0.49180.13160.0064 +0.0345 +0.0465
0.00090.00100.0004-0.00090.00090.0003 0.0023 0.0059
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1016786884 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
3 R 8/5 6/5 +0.0186 ( -0.0426)
0.49750.14030.0045-0.50250.11450.0055 +0.0199 +0.0186
0.00080.00090.0002-0.00080.00080.0002 0.0019 0.0051
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1016786884 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Let's take it back a notch and see if what we expect to happen happens after an opening 62R/31?

Well, since there's no hit & split available the question comes down to is hitting better than making the 5pt? It was in the last rollout so why the hell wouldn't it be here!?

gnubg159


2O ' ' ' '5X '3X ' ' '5O

1X ' ' ' '5O '3O1X ' '5X

user167

Position ID: 4HPwESDgc/ABMA Match ID: cIkMAAAAAAAA

# Ply Move Equity
1 R 13/9* +0.0408
0.50670.14970.0062-0.49330.12970.0065 +0.0329 +0.0408
0.00130.00140.0004-0.00130.00120.0008 0.0033 0.0086
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
2592 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1021167104 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
2 R 8/5 6/5 +0.0230 ( -0.0178)
0.50050.14030.0046-0.49950.11390.0057 +0.0263 +0.0230
0.00110.00120.0004-0.00110.00120.0007 0.0032 0.0076
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
2592 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 1021167104 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Now to the position that Neil posted, that's on the cover of Ballard/Weaver's new book.

Let's try to note everything that has changed from our 2nd roll decision to our 3rd roll decision.

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