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Interest Endgame Position
Posted By: Bill Riles In Response To: Interest Endgame Position (Chuck Bower)
Date: Monday, 14 January 2008, at 5:52 p.m.
Yes, as he picked up his dice after his immediately preceding roll I threw my hand up for him to 'stop' before making his next roll.
It was interesting that there were several 'controversies' this weekend regarding the new 'fast roll' rule.
As you all perhaps know, the new ABT rule states that if Player B fast rolls -- before Player A picks up his dice -- then the Player B's roll stands and Player A can complete his roll with foreknowledge of Player B's roll. Seems straightforward and fair enough.
The problems this weekend came when people realized they had fast rolled and picked up their dice. In one doubles match, critical last game position, the fast roller picked up the dice but everyone agreed on what the fast roll had been. So, then the question became did they also forfeit their next play by picking up dice without having made a play. Howard ruled that was not the case, the dice stay on the table as a valid roll.
The other problem was when a fast roller picked up the dice and it could not be agreed upon by all what the roll was. Everyone agreed the dice had come to a rest but there was some debate as to what they were and as to whether he had tipped them as he picked them up and thus they were not the same when he set them back down. Witness could not be certain either. Howard ruled the uncertainty negated the roll.
These instances bring up a couple of other questions. The second case was in one of my matches and I was filming the match. I was not certain I could quickly review it on film -- I know it can be done, I've just not done before with this camera at the table. So, should matches that are being filmed have director decisions influenced by the video record? (Instant replay controversy in backgammon!!)
There was one other situation I saw, not involving a fast roll. In the second round of the main Claude Landry and Steve Elkin were at DMP, having played over three hours. As a sidenote, Claude was filming the match but that didn't come into play. They each had a man on the roof, Claude had a five point board and Steve a four point board. To a large degree whoever entered first was going to be a big favorite for the game and match. Claude rolled a 6-4 which entered. He placed Steve's checker on the board and went to pick up his dice. There was some question whether he actually picked them up or not before realizing his error. When Steve threw up his hands to stop action I though he was going to call Claude on the illegal play. Steve simply requested Claude exchange the checkers and played on -- losing the match. I congratulated him for his good sportsmanship. He said he wouldn't have wanted to win like that.
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