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My submission

Posted By: MK
Date: Thursday, 12 June 2025, at 8:38 p.m.

In Response To: My submission (Stick)

: you looking at what 1 ply with noise will be doing and
: trying to relate it with what humans do just because
: they may play the same PR isn't a valid comparison.

Okay, I agree but then where do we go from here?

Whether giant or intermediate, humans with the same PR
wil make different errors also.

So even if you find a position that is actually played
wrong by one intermediate human and played right by one
giant human, it still won't be a valid answer to Koca's
absurd question, because another human intermediate may
play it right when another human giant may play it wrong.

Another problem with this is that bots don't do the right
plays as added noise and with Koca's examples, the weaker
bots actually do make the correct plays. Bot errors by
added noise could only possibly be relevant if weaker
bots were to make the wrong plays as Koca suggested.

While the title subject of this thread is another waste of
time by one of the masters of absurd quizzes, it helped
with unveiling yet once more how meaningless and useless
the PR really is.

And then there is the stupid implementation of weak levels
below 1-ply (including Intermediate and "inferred Giant" :)
by adding noise.

I assume the noise is deterministic. Otherwise it would go
against the argument that bots always make the same play at
a given position.

So, imagine someone totally new to bg wants to learn from
bots that are touted as best teachers. He sets the bot at
Beginner and starts playing against it. Until he gets up to
1-ply, he will learn all the consistently wrong (added noise)
decisions. And then he will have to "unlearn" (which is very
difficult to do) those and learn the right decisions.

I'm saying all these as if I were one of you who believe that
the bot play is the optimum strategy (which I deny completely).
In other words, bots are wrong even when they are right...

MK

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