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"Humanizing bots" vs "Botanizing humans"
Posted By: MK In Response To: Future bots with Verbal AI's (MK)
Date: Sunday, 21 June 2026, at 10:34 a.m.
I just had to go back and listen to what Travis Kalanick said in the video:
"I'm not as optimistic about that .....
"..... memorization is a big part of what's going on
"especially when you get really good
"and you can't really explain the math that's going on
"when you should double and why
"you can try to but a lot of times .....
"a verbal explanation is just an attempt to
"humanize something that's very computational
"I don't know if it's helpful to be honest
Does he know who Art Benjamin is? i.e. the guy who calls himself "mathe-magician"...?
Does he really know anything about math and computer programming? i.e. that the math which the bot uses to decide "when to double and why" is called the "jackoffski formula" which was fabricated and programmed into the bot by humans...?
He is right about "humanizing bots" not being very helpful though, which I have been mocking at for years, using the exact expression.
In fact, in contrast to it, I am the person who coined the somewhat punny expression "botanizing humans"! :)
He must have read some of the stuff I had posted in forums and/or visited my backgammon website.
https://www.montanaonline.net/backgammon/
If you Google the keywords ["botanizing" humans backgammon mk murat], you will find this:
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AI Overview
Murat's contributions to backgammon theory often center on his custom bot experiments and equity evaluations on Google Groups rec.games.backgammon. Rather than "botanizing humans," his work explores "mutant bots" programming simplified bots with crude cube strategies to test the validity of established doubling and taking theories against human play.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.backgammon/c/uCmiIHgDfac/m/v0Ffw0tYAAAJ
Would you like to explore Murat's mutant bot experiments, look into modern neural network backgammon bots like eXtreme Gammon, or dive into tournament match analyses? Let me know how you'd like to proceed!
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.backgammon/c/uCmiIHgDfac/m/v0Ffw0tYAAAJ
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I always knew that I was ahead of my time and that time was on my side... :)
MK
PS: Takeaways of the day:
You don't need to be a genius to be a billionaire.
Being a genius doesn't necessarily make one a billionaire.
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