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Should announcers see bot results/ HUGE hedge hog weakness

Posted By: MK
Date: Thursday, 3 September 2026, at 12:13 p.m.

In Response To: Should announcers see bot results/ HUGE hedge hog weakness (bob Koca)

> However, for which bot actually plays backgammon the best, the other stuff matters tremendously.

What "other stuff"? Human bias injected into so-called AI-bots?

> It seems that Hedgehog does not take the cube into account when making checker plays, even on high plys, and that is a huge weakness.

Who says that it should? You says? XG says?

The most interesting thing about Hedgehog for me is the claim that it doesn't extrapolate cubeful equities from cubeless equities using "jackoffski" formulas, (something I have argued to be wrong for decades) but that it was trained through cubeful self-play.

I'm not eager to believe that but if it's true, it may support my also decades-long argument that the so-called "cube skill theory" can be defied and be defeated by turning cubeful games into cubeless games by forcing them to be played out to the end.

Has anyone who played against Hedgehog noticed how rarely it drops a double? It may be because of my bad doubling but I suspect it won't drop against you either. Try it and let me know... ;)

It looks like you religious flock will worship human-biased, semi-AI bots like XG but not truer-AI bots like Hedgehog (assuming that it is what it is claimed)?

MK

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