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53P-64S-22, etc.

Posted By: Nack Ballard
Date: Saturday, 24 October 2026, at 12:43 a.m.

In Response To: Position of the Day 9-29-26 - Rollout (Stick)

In 2011, I posted 53P-64S-22. This position is less likely to arise (because 64P is the correct reply to opening 53P) but because of the additional option of H (24/16*) it is more interesting than 53P-62S-22 or 53P-63S-22.

One position I like to compare 53P-64S-22 (left-hand/first diagram) to is 42P-53P-64S-22 (right-hand/second diagram). White's 4pt is added, and (instructively) the decision between the shift-play 6/4(2) 3/1*(2)) and 24/16* is much closer.





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 157
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 159
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=-a-B--DaB---dE--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:22:0:0:3:0:10
53P-64S-22

1.XG Roller++6/4(2) 3/1*(2) eq: +0.443
Player:
Opponent:
57.17% (G:25.59% B:0.76%)
42.83% (G:9.70% B:0.46%)
2.XG Roller++24/16* eq: +0.368 (-0.075)
Player:
Opponent:
57.68% (G:18.88% B:1.02%)
42.32% (G:9.95% B:0.40%)
3.XG Roller++13/11(2) 3/1*(2) eq: +0.267 (-0.175)
Player:
Opponent:
54.07% (G:23.07% B:0.69%)
45.93% (G:11.44% B:0.60%)
4.XG Roller++24/22 13/7* eq: +0.267 (-0.176)
Player:
Opponent:
54.99% (G:19.29% B:1.13%)
45.01% (G:11.62% B:0.52%)
5.XG Roller++13/11(2) 6/4(2)eq: +0.253 (-0.190)
Player:
Opponent:
55.06% (G:18.36% B:0.75%)
44.94% (G:10.90% B:0.51%)
6.XG Roller++13/11 13/7* eq: +0.238 (-0.205)
Player:
Opponent:
54.47% (G:19.79% B:1.11%)
45.53% (G:12.39% B:0.71%)
7.XG Roller++24/22(2) 3/1*(2) eq: +0.220 (-0.223)
Player:
Opponent:
52.97% (G:19.95% B:0.49%)
47.03% (G:9.97% B:0.40%)
8.XG Roller++24/22(2) 6/4(2)eq: +0.218 (-0.225)
Player:
Opponent:
54.02% (G:15.48% B:0.50%)
45.98% (G:8.67% B:0.29%)







White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 151
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 159
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=-a-B--DaB---dE--ab-d-b--B-:0:0:1:22:0:0:3:0:10
42P-53P-64S-22

1.Rollout16/4(2) 3/1*(2) eq: +0.067
Player:
Opponent:
49.56% (G:21.79% B:0.66%)
50.44% (G:14.46% B:0.77%)
Conf.: ± 0.007 (+0.059...+0.074) - [100.0%]
Duration: 51 minutes 18 seconds
2.Rollout124/16* eq: +0.048 (-0.019)
Player:
Opponent:
50.99% (G:15.91% B:0.87%)
49.01% (G:14.86% B:0.63%)
Conf.: ± 0.008 (+0.040...+0.056) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 hour 07 minutes
3.Rollout224/20(2)eq: +0.033 (-0.034)
Player:
Opponent:
50.26% (G:10.69% B:0.29%)
49.74% (G:7.58% B:0.33%)
Conf.: ± 0.011 (+0.022...+0.044) - [0.0%]
Duration: 15 minutes 49 seconds
4.Rollout224/22(2) 6/4(2)eq: -0.037 (-0.104)
Player:
Opponent:
48.34% (G:13.34% B:0.48%)
51.66% (G:10.45% B:0.40%)
Conf.: ± 0.016 (-0.053...-0.022) - [0.0%]
Duration: 14 minutes 45 seconds
5.Rollout213/11(2) 6/4(2)eq: -0.073 (-0.139)
Player:
Opponent:
48.03% (G:15.31% B:0.72%)
51.97% (G:15.49% B:0.80%)
Conf.: ± 0.017 (-0.089...-0.056) - [0.0%]
Duration: 13 minutes 58 seconds
6.Rollout224/22(2) 3/1*(2) eq: -0.078 (-0.145)
Player:
Opponent:
46.15% (G:16.41% B:0.42%)
53.85% (G:12.60% B:0.57%)
Conf.: ± 0.014 (-0.092...-0.065) - [0.0%]
Duration: 14 minutes 32 seconds
7.Rollout224/22(2) 13/11(2)eq: -0.090 (-0.156)
Player:
Opponent:
46.92% (G:13.20% B:0.46%)
53.08% (G:11.57% B:0.46%)
Conf.: ± 0.016 (-0.106...-0.074) - [0.0%]
Duration: 14 minutes 57 seconds
1 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 99603844
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

2 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 99603844
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

The position Stick posted (copied below) is 31P-53P-64S-22. Here, 24/16* is blocked, so we do not get to see how that hitting play would fare. If we fake it by comparing White-cube evaluations after each play, 24/16* evaluates better than 6/4*(2) 3/1*(2) by .028. In other words, if 24/16* were legal, it would be better than the shift play that tops Stick's rollout.

Nack





White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 153
Unlimited Game
Jacoby Beaver
pip: 159
score: 0

Blue is Player 1
XGID=-a-B--DaB---dE--ab-db---B-:0:0:1:22:0:0:3:0:10
31P-53P-64S-22

1.Rollout16/4(2) 3/1*(2) eq: -0.030
Player:
Opponent:
47.25% (G:20.56% B:0.58%)
52.75% (G:15.14% B:0.85%)
Conf.: ą 0.014 (-0.044...-0.016) - [100.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 17 seconds
2.Rollout124/22(2) 6/4(2)eq: -0.129 (-0.099)
Player:
Opponent:
45.90% (G:13.15% B:0.53%)
54.10% (G:11.88% B:0.48%)
Conf.: ą 0.015 (-0.143...-0.114) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 31 seconds
3.Rollout113/11(2) 6/4(2)eq: -0.133 (-0.103)
Player:
Opponent:
46.30% (G:14.57% B:0.69%)
53.70% (G:15.37% B:0.72%)
Conf.: ą 0.014 (-0.147...-0.119) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 24 seconds
4.Rollout124/22(2) 13/11(2)eq: -0.181 (-0.151)
Player:
Opponent:
44.25% (G:13.02% B:0.46%)
55.75% (G:12.68% B:0.56%)
Conf.: ą 0.013 (-0.195...-0.168) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 29 seconds
5.Rollout113/11 13/7* eq: -0.222 (-0.192)
Player:
Opponent:
44.75% (G:15.46% B:0.91%)
55.25% (G:18.60% B:1.31%)
Conf.: ą 0.017 (-0.239...-0.206) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 27 seconds
1 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

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