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A backgammon problem (for a change)

Posted By: Coolrey
Date: Monday, 20 October 2008, at 6:53 p.m.

In Response To: A backgammon problem (for a change) (Bob Koca)

Sure, man, I believe in any kind of proof! The bot tells me I was WAY off with 20/18, and I believe that. I read Magriels thing where bearing off with an ace is NEVER wrong, and Trices assertion that it is also true with 5s. I dunno how you can prove any of this stuff with so many crossovers left though... So, I try to guide my thinking using common sense principles...

Like... if I am going to throw a bunch of aces then the most efficient thing to do is not waste any pips.

BUT... If I am going to throw a bunch of aces, I aint going to be saving this gammon, so maybe I'd better figure something else out, or not put too much emphasis on efficiency.

If you put that ace in, and a couple of other ones too when you have a choice, then you will get embarrassed when you throw a 6 and have to play it to the bar point... and THEN play the rest of the number from the outfield IN.

Everyone here knows the most efficient ace is 7/6 yet the right play is 7/5, and not 20/18,,, and furthermore that is an actual blunder over .100 according to a 3 ply rollout. I learned something there, and can learn from you too... just SHOW me the proof. :-).

Messages In This Thread

• A backgammon problem (for a change)
  Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 4:41 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    pontiac -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 4:56 p.m.
    • A backgammon problem (for a change)
      Bill Riles -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 5:02 p.m.
      • A backgammon problem (for a change)
        Bob Koca -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 4:14 a.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    CamFella -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 4:58 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    Stick -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 5:37 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 6:43 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    David Rockwell -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 7:36 p.m.
    • A backgammon problem (for a change)
      Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 9:00 p.m.
      • A backgammon problem (for a change)
        Stick -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 9:24 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    neilkaz -- Sunday, 19 October 2008, at 8:48 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    Coolrey -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 12:23 p.m.
    • A backgammon problem (for a change)
      Coolrey -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 12:42 p.m.
    • A backgammon problem (for a change)
      Stick -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 12:43 p.m.
      • A backgammon problem (for a change)
        Coolrey -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 1:03 p.m.
        • A backgammon problem (for a change)
          Stick -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 1:10 p.m.
      • A backgammon problem (for a change)
        Coolrey -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 1:05 p.m.
    • A backgammon problem (for a change)
      Bob Koca -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 4:47 p.m.
      • A backgammon problem (for a change)
        David Rockwell -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 5:57 p.m.
        • A backgammon problem (for a change)
          Chuck Bower -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 6:28 p.m.
          • A backgammon problem (for a change)
            David Rockwell -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 6:37 p.m.
            • A backgammon problem (for a change)
              Chuck Bower -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 6:42 p.m.
      • A backgammon problem (for a change)
        Coolrey -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 6:53 p.m.
        • A backgammon problem (for a change)
          David Rockwell -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 7:56 p.m.
        • A backgammon problem (for a change)
          Bob Koca -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 8:47 p.m.
  • Bower's Law
    Chuck Bower -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 4:01 p.m.
    • Bower's Law
      Stick -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 8:04 p.m.
    • Bower's Law
      Bob Koca -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 8:39 p.m.
      • Bower's Law
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 8:56 p.m.
        • Bower's Law
          Bob Koca -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 9:29 p.m.
          • Bower's Law
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 10:14 p.m.
      • Bower's Law
        Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 4:22 p.m.
        • Bower's Law
          Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 4:36 p.m.
          • Bower's Law
            Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 5:09 p.m.
  • Money Game RO for 3-1 (not 2-1) to play
    Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 7:53 p.m.
    • Let's see if we've learned anything yet
      Chuck Bower -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 8:43 p.m.
      • Let's see if we've learned anything yet
        Bob Koca -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 9:34 p.m.
        • Let's see if we've learned anything yet
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 20 October 2008, at 10:19 p.m.
          • Yes, this is the mod I was talking about
            Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 5:10 p.m.
  • A backgammon problem (for a change)
    lenny -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 7:31 a.m.
    • A backgammon problem (for a change)
      Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 4:23 p.m.
  • Who to pick on today
    Stick -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 9:06 a.m.
    • Who to pick on today
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 10:24 a.m.
    • Who to pick on today
      pontiac -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 10:11 p.m.
  • RO results of the top 8 plays
    Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 21 October 2008, at 4:37 p.m.