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Cube Action
Posted By: Coolrey In Response To: Cube Action (Stick)
Date: Tuesday, 28 October 2008, at 1:08 a.m.
Stick:
You keep saying things like "I lost 5 of the last 6" or "I lost 3 gammons in the last 6 games", these statements are pretty meaningless. It doesn't matter when you lose them, you're supposed to lose a certain amount of gammons and while overall it was high for a 20 game session you try to augment it by saying it was "3 in 6 games". It's like when they give baseball stats at a home game, they always try to give stats for the home players that make it sound like they're doing good "he's hit in 3 of his last 5 games" which loosely translated means "he's playing for shit lately and has probably hit in 3 of his last 9 games but we're gonna stop at 5".
Ray: I keep RESPONDING that I lost 3 BACKGAMMONS in the last 6 games, which is rather significant, in my estimation. Gammons are not significant in this position, but backgammons are. As significant as a tough 16 cube? I don't know, but the cube only got to that level due to a blunder. Finally, I just answer whenever the prop subject comes up, I didn't post any results here I sent an email to one of the affected parties, and that is it.
Stick: To revise the facts of the position a GNU rollout showed it to be a pass, Snowie showed it to be a pass, I think it's a pass and unless Neil, Matt, Bob, etc.. have changed their collective backgammon minds on the results of the exhaustive 20 game rollout we did, they believe it to be a pass too. Couple that with what I would hope you would agree to, your side is much harder to play than my side, my ER might jolt up to a 6.0 but yours is likely to bolt to a 12.0, if the ERs were reversed then it's a monster take, as it stands, I still stand beside monster pass.
Ray: It isn't a MONSTER anything. It may turn out to be a pass, but the best player among those you mentioned, (who is a millionaire), declined to put anything more up than a Snowie evaluation and a funny picture. According to the bots my error rate might go up, but it is not all that low anyway. However, I doubt if you are going up to 6 ER on this, and I won't ever NEVER play a 12 ER on any position you can find. But I have overheard you explaining how I "fished it up" a few times. I have done a lot of fishing, and one thing is certain... You have to loosen the drag if you hook a big fish, or he breaks your line. Even the position that prompted this discussion. My answer was double... and let the opponent do what he wants. Sounds like you were playing the 1-5 game, and regardless of what the bots say... One might want to consider carefully playing/taking this type of position against Carter. Do I need to go into more detail, man?
Stick: Lol - I don't only post positions where I got the answer correct or from matches I lost. I won this match and quite easily. I also made the wrong choice from what the bot rollout says and I dropped this cube. I never play the cube perfectly according to the bots unless I'm playing a bot. My intention is never to play perfect cube play, I've briefly stated that elsewhere. I will drop hugely gammonish positions for my opponent such as this when it's a thin take unless I'm playing someone who I thinks plays as well as I do.
Ray: Well, well, well... You did what I would have done? What the fuck is wrong with you man?
Stick: I would like to play the checkers almost perfectly according to bot rollouts though. Checker error rate 0.0 would be fine with me, cube error rate should not be.
Ray: Agreed. I have recently acquired the same attitude, but I don't seem to have the ability to play the checkers that well. Thats a drawback, but playing the checkers to win instead of not to lose is/has been an effective, to say the least, approach for me. Results matter.
Stick: I have no idea of the sequence before Carter is on roll here. I believe he had either another point to clear or possibly didn't have the near perfect home board structure he has now. Needless to say with my solid forward structure this is a must double, I'm happy if he plays on, I want him to give me a free sequence - not doubling is a .05 error and even a larger error if you have some chump opponent like myself who is willing to give you a point instead of risk the potential gammon loss and 4 points at the beginning of a match.
Ray: From the context of the original question I assumed this was your doubling decision, not your take/pass decision. You took a pic when he doubled you. Carter plays so fast he goes right by doubles sometimes, that I understand. I doubt if any competent BGOers would have ever let this game get to this juncture before doubling.
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