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Posted By: Stick
Date: Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 9:35 a.m.

In Response To: Interesting Cube v. Ray (Stick)

I felt OtB this was a clear take specifically because of my men stuck behind his gimpy prime. Did I care though? This is a position I'd give nobody credit for knowing, not a reference position many people probably have floating around in their head. I also thought that with both men escaped from behind the gprime I would have lost my market so I sent it and let Ray deal with it. He correctly took.

The score (after 0 games) is: Player 0 9, Player 1 6 (match to 11 points)

Move number 3: Player 1 on roll, cube decision?

Player 0	60
Player 1	102
Position ID: 2A0AgLZtAwQwAA Match ID: cAlgAZAAMAAA

Cube decision
Rollout cubeless equity		+0.5420	(Money: +0.5461)
Cubeful equities:
1.	No double	+0.8799
2.	Double, pass	+1.0000	+0.1201
3.	Double, take	+0.8235	-0.0564
Proper cube action:		No double, take (32.0%)
Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.7777 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.2223 0.0087 0.0007 +0.5420 +0.8799 Standard error 0.0030 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.0030 0.0014 0.0023 0.0064 0.0128 Player Player 0 owns 2-cube 0.7816 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.2184 0.0255 0.0060 +0.8235 +0.8235 Standard error 0.0031 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.0031 0.0040 0.0020 0.0143 0.0143
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
648 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 821354884 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

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The score (after 0 games) is: Player 0 9, Player 1 6 (match to 11 points)

Move number 3: Player 1 on roll, cube decision?

Player 0	60
Player 1	101
Position ID: 2A0AgLZtAwQoAA Match ID: cAlgAZAAMAAA

Cube decision
Rollout cubeless equity		+0.6302	(Money: +0.6310)
Cubeful equities:
1.	No double	+1.0059
2.	Double, pass	+1.0000	-0.0059
3.	Double, take	+0.9894	-0.0165
Proper cube action:		No double, take (155.5%)
Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.8172 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.1828 0.0023 0.0010 +0.6302 +1.0059 Standard error 0.0012 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.0012 0.0003 0.0004 0.0025 0.0055 Player Player 0 owns 2-cube 0.8174 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.1826 0.0042 0.0014 +0.9894 +0.9894 Standard error 0.0012 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.0012 0.0007 0.0005 0.0057 0.0057
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
2592 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 821951238 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

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The score (after 0 games) is: Player 0 9, Player 1 6 (match to 11 points)

Move number 3: Player 1 on roll, cube decision?

Player 0	60
Player 1	91
Position ID: 2A0AgLZtA0QBAA Match ID: cAlgAZAAMAAA

Cube decision
Rollout cubeless equity		+0.6606	(Money: +0.6605)
Cubeful equities:
1.	Double, pass	+1.0000
2.	Double, take	+1.0658	+0.0163
3.	No double	+1.0495	+0.0000
Proper cube action:		Double, pass
Rollout details
Win W g W bg Lose L g L bg Cubeless Cubeful Centered 1-cube 0.8303 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.1697 0.0000 0.0000 +0.6606 +1.0495 Standard error 0.0022 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.0022 0.0001 0.0000 0.0045 0.0104 Player Player 0 owns 2-cube 0.8339 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.1661 0.0000 0.0000 +1.0658 +1.0658 Standard error 0.0022 0.0000 0.0000 - 0.0022 0.0001 0.0000 0.0101 0.0101
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
648 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 821529297 and quasi-random dice
Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Messages In This Thread

• Interesting Cube v. Ray
  Stick -- Monday, 6 April 2009, at 5:50 p.m.
  • Interesting Cube v. Ray
    Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 April 2009, at 6:03 p.m.
  • Interesting Cube v. Ray
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 6 April 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
  • Interesting Cube v. Ray
    neilkaz -- Monday, 6 April 2009, at 7:08 p.m.
  • Interesting Cube v. Ray
    Neil Robins -- Monday, 6 April 2009, at 9:02 p.m.
  • Interesting Cube v. Ray
    Coolrey -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 12:28 a.m.
  • Rollouts
    Stick -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 9:35 a.m.
    • Rollouts
      Neil Robins -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 10:12 a.m.
    • Rollouts
      Coolrey -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 10:13 a.m.
      • Rollouts
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 10:57 a.m.
        • Rollouts
          Coolrey -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 4:40 p.m.
          • Rollouts
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 7:46 p.m.
            • Rollouts
              Coolrey -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 8:56 p.m.
              • Rollouts
                Sam Pottle -- Wednesday, 8 April 2009, at 2:59 a.m.
                • Rollouts
                  Coolrey -- Wednesday, 8 April 2009, at 11:06 a.m.
      • Rollouts
        Stick -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 11:09 a.m.
        • Rollouts
          Coolrey -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 4:35 p.m.
          • Rollouts
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 7:33 p.m.
            • Rollouts
              Coolrey -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 8:26 p.m.
              • Rollouts
                Ian Shaw -- Wednesday, 8 April 2009, at 11:43 a.m.
                • Rollouts
                  Coolrey -- Wednesday, 8 April 2009, at 1:07 p.m.
                  • Rollouts
                    Stick -- Wednesday, 8 April 2009, at 2:12 p.m.
    • A better Rollout?
      Neil Robins -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 10:38 a.m.
    • Rollouts
      Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 1:38 p.m.
      • Rollouts
        Stick -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 1:39 p.m.
        • Rollouts
          Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 2:13 p.m.
          • Rollouts
            Stick -- Tuesday, 7 April 2009, at 2:31 p.m.