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Awkward Clock Situation

Posted By: Rich Munitz
Date: Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:15 p.m.

In Response To: Awkward Clock Situation (Gregg Cattanach)

"I am of the opinion that the measure of an appropriate time control is when a small percentage of players DO get in time trouble."

I agree.

Please define "time trouble" and define "small percentage".

I define "time trouble" as down below 5% of the originally allotted reserve time.

I define "small percentage" as <2% (ignoring UBK).

Any data to support the contention that ONLY a small percentage of players DO get in time trouble? Are there 50 clocked matches per ABT event? Because it seems there is at least 1 PUBLICIZED incident of time trouble per event. How many incidents are not publicized?

It is not just me saying that 2/12 may not be sufficient. There are plenty of others. I am just the one that seems to be speaking up on the topic because I am apparently more interested in getting clock settings that the vast majority of players can be comfortable with and embrace clock play WHICH IS THE GOAL, than beating my chest and saying 2 minutes is enough and tough shit if 30% of the playing population does not like it; let them adapt or quit.

I have no problem with creating speed backgammon events and I'd happily enter one at 0.5/10 or so and play under those conditions. I think that would be a lot of fun actually. But ABT main and masters events should not be that.

If a tournament incurs a delay because of a 3.5 hour 700 move match, well so be it. The extra 6.5 minutes of time that would be added to the clock under a 2.5 TC is not going to radically change that. The goal is to eliminate the ridiculous 4 hour 300 move matches, where people play with no discipline whatsoever and clocks with any reasonable TC will accomplish that.

Hey Bill Davis - how about a poll on chicagopoint.com as to how people feel about whether 2/12 is a sufficient time control? Lets see what the silent masses think?

Messages In This Thread

• Awkward Clock Situation
  Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 4:56 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    David Rockwell -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:10 p.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:30 p.m.
      • Awkward Clock Situation
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:40 p.m.
        • Awkward Clock Situation
          Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:18 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:19 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:44 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:49 p.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:57 p.m.
      • Awkward Clock Situation
        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:10 p.m.
        • Awkward Clock Situation
          Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 10:12 p.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Petter Bengtsson -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:52 p.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 5:55 p.m.
      • Awkward Clock Situation
        Petter Bengtsson -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:01 p.m.
        • Awkward Clock Situation
          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:15 p.m.
          • Awkward Clock Situation
            neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
          • Awkward Clock Situation
            Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:07 p.m.
          • Awkward Clock Situation
            Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:15 p.m.
            • Awkward Clock Situation
              Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:58 p.m.
            • Awkward Clock Situation
              Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:59 p.m.
  • Beating the dead horse
    Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:09 p.m.
    • Beating the dead horse
      Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:16 p.m.
      • Beating the dead horse
        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:01 p.m.
        • Beating the dead horse
          Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:17 p.m.
          • Beating the dead horse
            neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:22 p.m.
            • Beating the dead horse
              Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:54 p.m.
        • Beating the dead horse
          Jason Lee -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:23 p.m.
          • Beating the dead horse
            neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 7:39 p.m.
            • Beating the dead horse
              Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:06 p.m.
              • Beating the dead horse
                Bob Koca -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:13 p.m.
              • Beating the dead horse
                neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:21 p.m.
                • Beating the dead horse
                  Chuck Bower -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:03 p.m.
    • Beating the dead horse
      joe freedman -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 6:45 p.m.
      • Beating the dead horse
        Rich Munitz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 8:10 p.m.
        • Beating the dead horse
          playBunny -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 11:35 a.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    David -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 9:27 p.m.
  • Another Absurd Failure
    lenny -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 11:03 p.m.
    • Pardon me, but I must ask whether you've actually played BG using a Bronstein clock? *NM*
      neilkaz -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 11:23 p.m.
      • You're Excused; And No
        lenny -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 3:13 a.m.
        • You're Excused; And No
          dc-ohio -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 11:55 a.m.
          • Find The Right Comparison
            lenny -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 1:13 a.m.
            • You Find The Right Comparison...
              dc-ohio -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 4:20 a.m.
              • You Find The Right Comparison...
                jdg -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 3:01 p.m.
                • You Find The Right Comparison...
                  Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 3:34 p.m.
              • No; Poker Not A TV Phenomenon
                lenny -- Thursday, 9 July 2009, at 6:42 a.m.
                • No; Poker Not A TV Phenomenon
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Friday, 10 July 2009, at 7:29 p.m.
        • Angle shooting and Bronstein clocks
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 2:35 p.m.
          • Angle shooting and Bronstein clocks
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
            • Good post, Rich
              Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 5:04 p.m.
            • Directors Proceeding With Discretion . . .
              lenny -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 1:04 a.m.
              • Directors Proceeding With Discretion . . .
                Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 1:24 a.m.
                • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                  lenny -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 8:57 a.m.
                  • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                    Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 2:00 p.m.
                  • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                    neilkaz -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 3:06 p.m.
                  • Except Problems Aren't Prevented . . .
                    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 8 July 2009, at 4:14 p.m.
                    • You're Not Growing
                      lenny -- Thursday, 9 July 2009, at 6:32 a.m.
    • Another Absurd Failure
      Bill Riles -- Monday, 6 July 2009, at 11:34 p.m.
    • Another Absurd Failure
      Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 12:37 a.m.
  • Awkward Clock Situation
    Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 4:40 a.m.
    • Awkward Clock Situation
      Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 2:11 p.m.
  • Perhaps, since this was the FINAL
    garyo -- Tuesday, 7 July 2009, at 11:46 p.m.