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What did Stick do to deserve THIS?

Posted By: Sam Pottle
Date: Monday, 27 July 2009, at 5:45 p.m.

In Response To: What did Stick do to deserve THIS? (Joe Russell)

Can I have a walkover in the finals? 8~)

The genie scenario isn't quite the same as what's happening here. For one thing, a player in the bye group faces a stronger opponent on average in the finals, since that opponent is the winner of a group of 64 rather than 32.

Picture the A format drawsheet. There are 32 players in the top half, all of whom have byes and consequently start in the second round. Let's call these players group X. The bottom half is a full group of 64 players. Call the first 32 of these group Y, and the last 32 group Z. After five rounds of play (rounds 2-6 for the X group), there are three players left, with X playing the winner of Y and Z.

Now imagine that the TD cuts up the drawsheet at the start of the tournament. All that's posted is three full 32 player draws, one for each of our groups. You play five rounds without knowing whether you got a bye, until the playoff structure is revealed at the end. Not having that knowledge doesn't affect your equity at all.

But you also can't tell whether the director really did the full draw in advance, only now revealing which group got the bye, or drew the playoff at the end. A and B are really the same format, except for information.

Messages In This Thread

• What did Stick do to deserve THIS?
  Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 6:11 p.m.
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    David Startin -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 6:32 p.m.
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      Jake Jacobs -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 5:16 a.m.
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        Marv Porten -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 6:15 a.m.
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    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 7:16 p.m.
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      Christian Munk-Christensen -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 7:30 p.m.
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        phil Simborg -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 7:56 p.m.
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        Bob Koca -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 11:01 p.m.
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          Christian Munk-Christensen -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 7:55 a.m.
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            mfic -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 5:34 a.m.
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    Stick -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 10:08 p.m.
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      neilkaz -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 10:46 a.m.
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        Christian Munk-Christensen -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 3:46 p.m.
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      Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 1:21 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 11:26 p.m.
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    Bob Koca -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 3:48 a.m.
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      Joe Russell -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 4:23 a.m.
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        Joe Russell -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 4:25 a.m.
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      Jim Allen -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 7:20 a.m.
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        Bob Koca -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 11:11 a.m.
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          Jim Allen -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 5:14 p.m.
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          Sam Pottle -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 5:40 a.m.
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            Joe Russell -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 10:00 a.m.
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              Joe Russell -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 10:39 a.m.
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                Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 8:59 p.m.
            • What did Stick do to deserve THIS?
              Sam Pottle -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 5:45 p.m.
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                Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 1:51 a.m.
                • What did Stick do to deserve THIS?
                  Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 9:24 p.m.
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              Jason Lee -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 7:09 p.m.
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                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 10:37 p.m.
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                Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 1:16 a.m.
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                  Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 2:02 a.m.
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              Matt Reklaitis -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 7:37 p.m.
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      Maik Stiebler -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 5:54 p.m.
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        Joe Russell -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 3:13 a.m.
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          Rich Munitz -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 4:30 a.m.
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          Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 9:35 a.m.
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            Joe Russell -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 9:50 a.m.
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        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 8:36 p.m.
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          Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 10:37 p.m.
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    WBR Admin (JohnL) -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 7:43 a.m.
    • What did Stick do to deserve THIS?
      Chuck Bower -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 1:06 p.m.