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Premature roll ruling

Posted By: Bob Koca
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 12:57 p.m.

In Response To: Premature roll ruling (Phil Simborg)

>"The rules are ambiguous, so you are always at the mercy of the tournament >director. I had a VERY BAD RULING in a major tournament last year. It was >doubles, and the player rolled prematurely, but his partner reached down and >quickly grabbed the dice to stop them, and the tournament director said that >the dice didn't land. Clearly they should have been penalized."

Suppose that instead of the partner stoping the roll that the dice had landed cocked. Is it still clear that they souhld be penalized. I think one federation says yes and that like you suggest a reroll is required and it can be made to stand or further rerolled. All before they get to finish their move I think.

A further problem in all of this is suppose the partner stops the dice but not immediately and it appeared as though a certain number was likely though not certain.

>"There is another problem here, however, and that is if the player >was "enticed" to roll. I believe the rules should be written more clearly to >define this, but once a player makes his move, if he's going to put them >back, he should say so to alert his opponents that he is not reaching for the >dice, but rather reaching for checkers. If a player does reach for the dice, >or appears to be reaching for the dice, after making a full and legal move, >it is logical for the other player to believe he is picking up his dice and >logical for him to roll."

Agree, and furthermore it should be required to audibly announce the roll before touching them.

>"This is one of MANY rules that are a) not stated fully and clearly and b) do >not state exactly how infractions should be handled."

I am wondering if you have a rules set proposal.

Messages In This Thread

• Premature roll ruling
  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:24 a.m.
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    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 5:06 a.m.
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      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 12:57 p.m.
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        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:06 p.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:10 p.m.
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            phil simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:18 p.m.
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              Kenny Nissen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
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        phil simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:13 p.m.
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          Seth -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 11:24 p.m.
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          Chuck Bower -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 4:35 p.m.
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            Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:42 a.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
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                Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 25 August 2009, at 12:15 a.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 5:36 p.m.
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              TarHeelFan -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 7:35 p.m.
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      Jason Lee -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:21 p.m.
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      rory -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 3:12 p.m.
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      Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:13 p.m.
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      joe freedman -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 7:20 p.m.
    • clearly they should have been penalized ---
      garyo -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 6:27 p.m.
      • clearly they should have been penalized ---
        phil simborg -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:31 a.m.
        • clearly they should have been penalized ---
          garyo -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 4:19 p.m.
          • clearly they should have been penalized ---
            Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 3:04 a.m.
  • Premature roll ruling
    Stein Kulseth -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 7:49 a.m.
  • only solution is clock
    alex21 -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 11:59 a.m.
  • What's the ruling in DK? UK? *NM*
    Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:06 p.m.
    • What's the ruling in DK? UK?
      Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
      • What's the ruling in DK? UK?
        Jason Lee -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:59 p.m.