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Premature roll ruling

Posted By: Steve Mellen
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:13 p.m.

In Response To: Premature roll ruling (Phil Simborg)

I don't believe the "enticement" concept is workable in practice unless we're going to have every match monitored or videotaped. Obviously everyone who rolls does so in the belief that their opponent's turn is done. Whether they were reasonable in holding that belief - in other words, whether they were "enticed" - is an almost impossible judgment for a director to reach unless there is an objective witness.

Of course with clocks it's a moot point altogether.

For the situation under discussion, if A claims that the premature roll was such-and-such before it was picked up, then the ruling should probably go against B because he's the one who has destroyed the evidence. But if A isn't going to claim that the dice had finished rolling, I don't see why there should be any penalty for B except being unable to double.

Messages In This Thread

• Premature roll ruling
  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:24 a.m.
  • Premature roll ruling
    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 5:06 a.m.
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      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 12:57 p.m.
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        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:06 p.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:10 p.m.
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            phil simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:18 p.m.
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              Kenny Nissen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
      • Premature roll ruling
        phil simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:13 p.m.
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          Seth -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 11:24 p.m.
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          Chuck Bower -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 4:35 p.m.
          • Premature roll ruling
            Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:42 a.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
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                Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 25 August 2009, at 12:15 a.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 5:36 p.m.
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              TarHeelFan -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 7:35 p.m.
    • Premature roll ruling
      Jason Lee -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:21 p.m.
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      rory -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 3:12 p.m.
    • Premature roll ruling
      Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:13 p.m.
    • Premature roll ruling
      joe freedman -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 7:20 p.m.
    • clearly they should have been penalized ---
      garyo -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 6:27 p.m.
      • clearly they should have been penalized ---
        phil simborg -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:31 a.m.
        • clearly they should have been penalized ---
          garyo -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 4:19 p.m.
          • clearly they should have been penalized ---
            Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 3:04 a.m.
  • Premature roll ruling
    Stein Kulseth -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 7:49 a.m.
  • only solution is clock
    alex21 -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 11:59 a.m.
  • What's the ruling in DK? UK? *NM*
    Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:06 p.m.
    • What's the ruling in DK? UK?
      Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
      • What's the ruling in DK? UK?
        Jason Lee -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:59 p.m.