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Premature roll ruling

Posted By: Phil Simborg
Date: Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:42 a.m.

In Response To: Premature roll ruling (Chuck Bower)

Actually, I really don't think the solution is to rewrite all the rules...the solution is to reword a few that are ambiguous, and then provide a comprehensive guide for the interpretation and application of the rules so that players and directors have very clear guidelines. For example, the guide would use examples of what does or does not constitute a premature roll, and state what happens if the dice are cocked or interfered with; and what happens if the other player made his move and touched his dice and slowly dragged them instead of picking them up, and then the other person rolled, etc. etc.

As Bill Davis and others have pointed out (as a reason for NOT doing this), you can't cover everything in the guide...there will always be some things that could come up. My point is that you CAN cover MOST things, and you can certainly cover the things that come up often.

The guide will also cover, more specifically, what the penalties for infractions are; and the guide would provide more specific wording about how to handle situations where the players disagree on what actually occurred.

Lastly, the guide would provide tournament directors with some basic "philosophies" as to how to handle disputes and how to handle situations where the facts are unclear; more specific guidelines on how to handle poor sportsmanship, cheating, and "questionable" behavior.

I can't imagine why ABT directors (and players) wouldn't welcome such a guide...would love to have the burden lifted of having to make arbitrary rulings on the spot instead of having a clear place to refer to which backs up their rulings. I can't imagine why players don't insist on having clear, precise guidelines for what is expected of them and their opponents.

I can't imagine any logic for resistance to this approach other than fear of change, fear of loss of personal control, and ego.

Chuck, you may not have a rifle, but I have no problem using a shotgun after years of making these arguments and seeing them fall on deaf, unreasonable ears.

Messages In This Thread

• Premature roll ruling
  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:24 a.m.
  • Premature roll ruling
    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 5:06 a.m.
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      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 12:57 p.m.
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        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:06 p.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:10 p.m.
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            phil simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:18 p.m.
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              Kenny Nissen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
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        phil simborg -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:13 p.m.
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          Seth -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 11:24 p.m.
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          Chuck Bower -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 4:35 p.m.
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            Phil Simborg -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:42 a.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 4:29 p.m.
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                Barry Silliman -- Tuesday, 25 August 2009, at 12:15 a.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 5:36 p.m.
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              TarHeelFan -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 7:35 p.m.
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      Jason Lee -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 2:21 p.m.
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      rory -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 3:12 p.m.
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      Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:13 p.m.
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      joe freedman -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 7:20 p.m.
    • clearly they should have been penalized ---
      garyo -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 6:27 p.m.
      • clearly they should have been penalized ---
        phil simborg -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 3:31 a.m.
        • clearly they should have been penalized ---
          garyo -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 4:19 p.m.
          • clearly they should have been penalized ---
            Phil Simborg -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 3:04 a.m.
  • Premature roll ruling
    Stein Kulseth -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 7:49 a.m.
  • only solution is clock
    alex21 -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 11:59 a.m.
  • What's the ruling in DK? UK? *NM*
    Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 1:06 p.m.
    • What's the ruling in DK? UK?
      Christian Munk-Christensen -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:51 p.m.
      • What's the ruling in DK? UK?
        Jason Lee -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 6:59 p.m.