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Are we missing the most important point by Michael?

Posted By: Maik Stiebler
Date: Monday, 24 August 2009, at 6:50 a.m.

In Response To: Are we missing the most important point by Michael? (Frank Berger)

As Chuck noted, problems appear if a new bot disagrees in a position where all the old bots agree and which is thus not in the set. It is true that the new bot can be more right or more wrong than all the old bots.

IMHO this effect will be small,

I agree.

unclear whther it is an advantage or not

It makes some sense to assume that the new bot will be more wrong more often than more right in the positions that are not in the old set, I think, simply because the new bot will be in the minority. Obviously if the new bot is much stronger than the old bots, that argument does not work.

any selection of position might have a bias for any bot.

Yes, I don't see any way in which any selection of positions could be an unbiased indicator of skill for all bots. Actually it's not even easy to define what skill of a bot really is. Chuck's suggestion makes sure that the results from the new set of positions are relatively speaking the same as when every decision from the original set of games is rolled out.

Messages In This Thread

• Depreli Positions 1-100
  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 3:01 a.m.
  • Depreli Positions 1-100
    neilkaz -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 3:20 a.m.
    • Depreli Positions 1-100
      Frank Berger -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 7:49 p.m.
      • XG Roller
        neilkaz -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 8:20 p.m.
        • XG Roller
          Frank Berger -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 9:10 p.m.
          • XG Roller
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 10:06 p.m.
            • XG Roller
              neilkaz -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 10:28 p.m.
              • Ever since I saw the first JF prototype.....
                neilkaz -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:11 a.m.
            • XG Roller
              Stein Kulseth -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 9:17 a.m.
    • Depreli Positions 1-100
      eXtreme Gammon -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:56 p.m.
  • Thx Matt !!
    neilkaz -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 3:29 a.m.
  • Depreli Positions 1-100
    Coolrey -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 11:30 a.m.
    • Depreli Positions 1-100
      Stick -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 11:41 a.m.
  • Depreli Positions 1-100
    Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 12:49 p.m.
    • Depreli Positions 1-100
      Stick -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 5:35 p.m.
    • Depreli Positions 1-100
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 6:42 p.m.
  • Depreli Positions 1-100
    phlegethos -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 5:24 p.m.
    • Depreli Positions 1-100
      Stick -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 5:33 p.m.
  • depth vs breadth
    Matt Reklaitis -- Tuesday, 18 August 2009, at 9:39 p.m.
    • depth vs breadth
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 3:53 a.m.
      • depth vs breadth
        Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:36 p.m.
        • depth vs breadth
          Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 8:47 p.m.
    • depth vs breadth
      Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 5:01 p.m.
      • depth vs breadth
        Matt Reklaitis -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 5:30 p.m.
  • I Picked #6 At Random
    lenny -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 1:46 a.m.
    • I Picked #6 At Random
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 3:36 a.m.
      • I Picked #6 At Random
        lenny -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 3:54 a.m.
        • I Picked #6 At Random
          neilkaz -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:01 a.m.
          • My QDRO
            lenny -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:27 a.m.
            • My QDRO
              Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:36 a.m.
              • My QDRO
                lenny -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 6:00 a.m.
                • My QDRO
                  Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 6:28 a.m.
                  • My QDRO
                    lenny -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 3:25 a.m.
                    • My QDRO
                      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 3:39 a.m.
                    • My QDRO
                      neilkaz -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 3:42 a.m.
        • I Picked #6 At Random
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:02 a.m.
    • I Picked #6 At Random
      neilkaz -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 3:41 a.m.
    • Long GNU rollout says coming out is clear
      neilkaz -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 4:16 p.m.
  • Depreli Positions 1-100
    Ian Shaw -- Wednesday, 19 August 2009, at 12:43 p.m.
  • Depreli Positions 1-100
    eXtreme Gammon -- Thursday, 20 August 2009, at 4:51 p.m.
  • Definitely read this
    Chuck Bower -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 3:58 p.m.
    • Definitely read this
      MaX -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 4:03 p.m.
      • cut and pasted post by Depreli
        Chuck Bower -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 4:22 p.m.
        • cut and pasted post by Depreli
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 7:04 p.m.
          • cut and pasted post by Depreli
            Stick -- Friday, 21 August 2009, at 8:42 p.m.
          • cut and pasted post by Depreli
            Frank Berger -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 8:17 a.m.
            • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
              Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 5:56 p.m.
              • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 22 August 2009, at 6:19 p.m.
                • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
                  Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 1:21 p.m.
                  • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
                    Frank Berger -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 2:31 p.m.
                    • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
                      Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 24 August 2009, at 6:50 a.m.
                  • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 3:20 p.m.
              • Are we missing the most important point by Michael?
                Frank Berger -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 8:17 a.m.
            • cut and pasted post by Depreli
              eXtreme Gammon -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 5:44 p.m.
              • cut and pasted post by Depreli
                Frank Berger -- Sunday, 23 August 2009, at 7:17 p.m.