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Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.

Posted By: Michael Depreli
Date: Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:37 a.m.

In Response To: Bot Comparison after 60/500 games. (Matt Cohn-Geier)

BTW I would like to see how something like the following GNU rollout setting compares:

5184 trials
0-ply play & cube truncated after 10 plies
2-ply eval at truncation point
Stop after 3.29 jsds (min 36 games)

Obviously this would be pretty easy if you could just roll out an entire session and otherwise might not be.

There's no way at present to automate this without rolling out the entire session.
It's also not reproducible.
I experimented a bit with similar settings using truncation/jsds/low miminum trials/VR on and it looked promising.

Are these settings you've chosen what you believe to be the best accuracy over speed having tested a few out or your first attempt?

Looking at the bigger picture what are we trying to achieve? We can always make the settings more accurate but there's always a speed hit.

I like XGRoller as it appears to give more accurate results than 4-ply and is very fast.

I don't know how much more accuarate XGR+ will be but the speed hit is fourfold which is quite hefty. Should these "roller" settings be purely for analysis or something you would use to play against or even run rollouts with?
It would be good to find the most accuarte setting given a set overall time limit.

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• Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
  Michael Depreli -- Wednesday, 28 October 2009, at 6:59 p.m.
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    jdg -- Wednesday, 28 October 2009, at 8:58 p.m.
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      Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 12:32 a.m.
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        Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:31 a.m.
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          neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:55 a.m.
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            Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:14 a.m.
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          Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:27 a.m.
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            Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:32 a.m.
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              Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:38 a.m.
              • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
                Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:45 a.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 4:44 a.m.
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                Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 5:42 a.m.
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                  Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 1:22 p.m.
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                  Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:01 p.m.
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                    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:43 p.m.
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                    Frank Berger -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 6:31 p.m.
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                      neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 7:07 p.m.
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                        Frank Berger -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 9:56 p.m.
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                      Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 8:29 p.m.
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                        Frank Berger -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 9:52 p.m.
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                          Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 1:35 a.m.
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                  misja -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:44 p.m.
        • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
          Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:37 a.m.
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            Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 4:07 a.m.
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            Jon -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:35 p.m.
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      eXtreme Gammon -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 1:37 a.m.
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        neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:44 a.m.
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          Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:47 a.m.
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            Michael Depreli -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 8:11 a.m.
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    Ian Shaw -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 12:29 a.m.
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    neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 12:47 a.m.
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      Mislav Radica -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 8:31 a.m.
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    Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 1:54 a.m.
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    MaX -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 12:13 p.m.
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      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 12:26 p.m.
    • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games... GNU odd/even ply cube effects
      neilkaz -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 2:27 p.m.
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        MaX -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 4:24 p.m.
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      Michael Depreli -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 6:36 p.m.
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        MaX -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:22 a.m.
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    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 11:02 p.m.
    • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
      Michael Depreli -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:37 a.m.
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        jdg -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 1:41 p.m.
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        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 6:56 p.m.
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          Michael Depreli -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:47 p.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 11:38 p.m.
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          neilkaz -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 2:04 a.m.
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            Ian Shaw -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 11:53 p.m.
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              neilkaz -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 4:44 a.m.
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              Frank Berger -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 7:47 p.m.
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                Ian Shaw -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 4:38 p.m.
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            eXtreme Gammon -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 1:33 a.m.
            • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
              Ian Shaw -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 4:49 p.m.
              • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
                eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 6:12 p.m.
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                  Ian Shaw -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 12:53 p.m.