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Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.

Posted By: Phil Simborg
Date: Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 11:38 p.m.

In Response To: Bot Comparison after 60/500 games. (Michael Depreli)

Michael said: "I don't know how much more accuarate XGR+ will be but the speed hit is fourfold which is quite hefty. Should these "roller" settings be purely for analysis or something you would use to play against or even run rollouts with?"

XGR+ is still plenty fast, both for evaluations and to play as an opponent. Yes, it is 4 times slower than XG, but that's still only a few seconds total.

I have not done a complete test as yet, but I did look at 8 positions that xg got wrong according to the full rollout, and xg+ got 6 right and was very close on the other two. I am going to be spending A LOT LESS TIME rolling out positions in the future.

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• Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
  Michael Depreli -- Wednesday, 28 October 2009, at 6:59 p.m.
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    jdg -- Wednesday, 28 October 2009, at 8:58 p.m.
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      Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 12:32 a.m.
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        Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:31 a.m.
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          neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:55 a.m.
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            Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:14 a.m.
        • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
          Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:27 a.m.
          • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
            Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:32 a.m.
            • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
              Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:38 a.m.
              • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
                Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:45 a.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 4:44 a.m.
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                Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 5:42 a.m.
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                  Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 1:22 p.m.
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                  Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:01 p.m.
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                    Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:43 p.m.
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                    Frank Berger -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 6:31 p.m.
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                      neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 7:07 p.m.
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                        Frank Berger -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 9:56 p.m.
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                      Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 8:29 p.m.
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                        Frank Berger -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 9:52 p.m.
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                          Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 1:35 a.m.
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                  misja -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:44 p.m.
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          Phil Simborg -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:37 a.m.
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            Michael Petch -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 4:07 a.m.
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            Jon -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:35 p.m.
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      eXtreme Gammon -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 1:37 a.m.
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        neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 2:44 a.m.
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          Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 3:47 a.m.
          • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
            Michael Depreli -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 8:11 a.m.
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    Ian Shaw -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 12:29 a.m.
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    neilkaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 12:47 a.m.
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      Mislav Radica -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 8:31 a.m.
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    Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, at 1:54 a.m.
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    MaX -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 12:13 p.m.
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      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 12:26 p.m.
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      neilkaz -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 2:27 p.m.
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        MaX -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 4:24 p.m.
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      Michael Depreli -- Friday, 30 October 2009, at 6:36 p.m.
      • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
        MaX -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:22 a.m.
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    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 11:02 p.m.
    • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
      Michael Depreli -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:37 a.m.
      • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
        jdg -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 1:41 p.m.
      • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 6:56 p.m.
        • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
          Michael Depreli -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:47 p.m.
      • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
        Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 11:38 p.m.
        • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
          neilkaz -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 2:04 a.m.
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            Ian Shaw -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 11:53 p.m.
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              neilkaz -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 4:44 a.m.
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              Frank Berger -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 7:47 p.m.
              • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
                Ian Shaw -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 4:38 p.m.
          • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
            eXtreme Gammon -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 1:33 a.m.
            • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
              Ian Shaw -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 4:49 p.m.
              • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
                eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 6:12 p.m.
                • Bot Comparison after 60/500 games.
                  Ian Shaw -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 12:53 p.m.