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A better approch? [LONG]

Posted By: Timothy Chow
Date: Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 3:47 p.m.

In Response To: A better approch? [LONG] (MaX)

MaX wrote:

My understanding (please correct if wrong) is that the advantage of the Bayesian approach is the fact it gives the direct answer to the question "How sure we are the top play is really better than the others". The jsd approach (or confidence interval approach) gives an answer to a somehow related question (but not exactly to our question).

Yes, very nicely put.

By the way, Xavier was a bit concerned about the "lack of enthusiasm" for his proposal. Just to be explicit, I am enthusiastic about it. I am posting heavily to this thread not to be argumentative, but because I think this is a great feature and I want to help "get the math right." JSD is much harder for the non-math-geek to understand than percentages, so it is absolutely a good feature to report percentages if you can.

Now I'm wondering if keeping the current approach but showing the CI% instead of the jsds is not just enough for our goal.

I personally think this is fine. However, Xavier's slightly more ambitious proposal does have the advantage of being closer to people's intuition. If one sees "5%" next to a play, one's instinct is to think, "there's a 5% chance that this is the best play."

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• Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
  neilkaz -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 5:13 p.m.
  • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
    Timothy Chow -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 5:30 p.m.
  • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
    Tom Keith -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 5:51 p.m.
    • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
      Rich Munitz -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 3:19 a.m.
  • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
    Bob Koca -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 7:30 p.m.
    • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
      neilkaz -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 9:20 p.m.
      • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
        Bob Koca -- Saturday, 31 October 2009, at 9:31 p.m.
      • Confidence Interval Overlap vs Joint Standard Deviation (long)
        Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 12:21 a.m.
  • A better approch?
    eXtreme Gammon -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 4:02 a.m.
    • A better approch?
      neilkaz -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 4:32 a.m.
    • A better approch?
      MaX -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 1:19 p.m.
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      MaX -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 1:22 p.m.
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      Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 5:37 p.m.
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        eXtreme Gammon -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 6:12 p.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
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            Tom Keith -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 8:38 p.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 1:20 a.m.
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                Jason Lee -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 2:24 a.m.
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                  Chuck Bower -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 3:06 p.m.
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                Timothy Chow -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 6:56 p.m.
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          Maik Stiebler -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 10:05 p.m.
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          MaX -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 10:15 a.m.
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            Timothy Chow -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 6:47 p.m.
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              MaX -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 8:18 a.m.
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            eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 7:26 p.m.
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              MaX -- Thursday, 12 November 2009, at 12:56 p.m.
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          Timothy Chow -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 6:40 p.m.
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            Tom Keith -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 7:28 p.m.
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              Timothy Chow -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 10:10 p.m.
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                Tom Keith -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 12:14 a.m.
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                  Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 1:29 a.m.
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                    Maik Stiebler -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 7:18 a.m.
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                      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 4:17 p.m.
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                        Tom Keith -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 5:23 p.m.
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                          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 5:37 p.m.
                          • Aren't you two just particpating in the 250 year old fracas?
                            Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 6:19 p.m.
                            • Aren't you two just particpating in the 250 year old fracas?
                              Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 7:55 p.m.
                              • Aren't you two just particpating in the 250 year old fracas?
                                Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 8:29 p.m.
                            • Aren't you two just particpating in the 250 year old fracas?
                              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 12:11 p.m.
                      • A better approch?
                        Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 8:40 p.m.
                        • A better approch?
                          Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 10:09 p.m.
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                            Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 10:51 p.m.
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                              Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 4 November 2009, at 11:57 p.m.
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                              Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 6:52 a.m.
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                                Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 7:25 a.m.
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                                  Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 3:37 p.m.
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                                    Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 9:19 p.m.
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                                      Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 9:42 p.m.
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            MaX -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 3:04 p.m.
            • A better approch? [LONG]
              Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 3:47 p.m.
            • A better approch? [LONG]
              Maik Stiebler -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 10:01 p.m.
              • A better approch? [LONG]
                MaX -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 3:31 p.m.
                • A better approch? [LONG]
                  Maik Stiebler -- Saturday, 7 November 2009, at 5:52 p.m.
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                    MaX -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 12:39 p.m.
                    • A better approch? [LONG]
                      Maik Stiebler -- Monday, 9 November 2009, at 10:59 p.m.
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                        MaX -- Tuesday, 10 November 2009, at 1:33 p.m.
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          Tom Keith -- Thursday, 5 November 2009, at 10:23 p.m.
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            MaX -- Friday, 6 November 2009, at 12:35 p.m.
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      Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 7:45 p.m.
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        eXtreme Gammon -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 10:03 p.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 1 November 2009, at 10:30 p.m.
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      Mislav Radica -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 12:59 a.m.
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        eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 1:58 a.m.
        • A better approach?
          eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 2:00 a.m.
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          MaX -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 10:19 a.m.
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          Mislav Radica -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 12:55 p.m.
          • The different approachs-give us a choice
            Mislav Radica -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 1:18 p.m.
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          misja -- Monday, 2 November 2009, at 7:36 p.m.
    • A better approch?
      Neil Robins -- Tuesday, 3 November 2009, at 9:39 p.m.