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"Tied" vs. "TCTC"

Posted By: Timothy Chow
Date: Friday, 29 January 2010, at 10:30 p.m.

In Response To: XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed (Gregg Cattanach)

Gregg Cattanach wrote:

Isn't it more accurate to say that 'the plays are tied' than TCTC?

For what it's worth, I think that 'tied' and 'TCTC' are orthogonal concepts. That is, all of the following cases are possible:

1. Two plays are TCTC and tied.
2. Two plays are TCTC but not tied.
3. Two plays are tied but not TCTC.
4. Two plays are neither tied nor TCTC.

"Tied" means that the equities are sufficiently close to each other. "TCTC" means that the rollout has not progressed far enough to be able to "call" whatever it is that you're trying to call (usually, you're trying to make the call as to which play is better, but in principle, you could also be trying to make the call that the plays are tied).

Thus when Neil said the plays were TCTC, it was accurate, in the sense that the rollout had not progressed far enough to "call" which one has higher equity (in the bot's opinion, of course). On the other hand, I would say that it's also accurate to say that "the plays are tied" because the rollout has progressed far enough (to most people's satisfaction) to make the "call" that the plays are tied. Neither is "more accurate"; the question is just which statement you are trying to make or are more interested in.

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• XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
  neilkaz -- Saturday, 23 January 2010, at 10:16 p.m.
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    Andreas -- Sunday, 24 January 2010, at 8:33 a.m.
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      Nack Ballard -- Sunday, 24 January 2010, at 9:11 a.m.
      • ty for the ATS link ! *NM*
        Andreas -- Sunday, 24 January 2010, at 1:02 p.m.
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    Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 26 January 2010, at 8:57 p.m.
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      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 26 January 2010, at 9:10 p.m.
    • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
      Stick -- Tuesday, 26 January 2010, at 9:13 p.m.
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      Stick -- Tuesday, 26 January 2010, at 9:39 p.m.
      • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
        Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 28 January 2010, at 1:42 p.m.
        • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
          Daniel Murphy -- Thursday, 28 January 2010, at 8:36 p.m.
          • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
            Gregg Cattanach -- Friday, 29 January 2010, at 1:30 p.m.
            • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
              Daniel Murphy -- Friday, 29 January 2010, at 6:07 p.m.
              • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
                Nack Ballard -- Friday, 29 January 2010, at 7:08 p.m.
                • XG 4 ply RO of 64P-62 completed
                  Daniel Murphy -- Friday, 29 January 2010, at 9:43 p.m.
    • "Tied" vs. "TCTC"
      Timothy Chow -- Friday, 29 January 2010, at 10:30 p.m.