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Shino wins WSOB 2010

Posted By: Steve Mellen
Date: Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:53 p.m.

In Response To: Shino wins WSOB 2010 (Stick)

Since you have not shared any of the evidence that makes you 110% certain he's guilty, you would, in fact, be the only person he would be responding to. You're asking him to respond publicly to evidence that you're not making public.

If you were a TD, and 110% convinced of the guy's dishonesty, you would be well within your rights in my view to exclude him from your tournaments. Any other TD would be foolish in the extreme to take action against him solely because "well, I have no idea what the evidence is against you, but someone I consider reliable says it's conclusive, so either give me a good explanation or you're barred."

As far as I can tell from the prior posts on this topic, PJT does have a side of the story: he claims he wrote this program long ago, and if it was used well after the fact to cheat some people at an online site, he had nothing to do with it. Now, I have no idea if that's true or false, but I think it's plausible enough to shift the burden to the accusers to present evidence that shows it to be a false story. Otherwise, we're completely in the realm of innuendo, this "I know he's lying but I can't tell you why."

No fairminded person can draw a firm conclusion either way at this point, which is why people don't typically publish serious allegations unless they're in a position to present a basis for them as well.

Messages In This Thread

• Shino wins WSOB 2010
  Elliott Winslow -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:59 a.m.
  • Shino wins WSOB 2010
    Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 1:49 p.m.
    • Shino wins WSOB 2010
      neilkaz -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 4:34 p.m.
      • Shino wins WSOB 2010
        Phil Simborg -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 5:22 p.m.
        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
          Sam Pottle -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 6:00 p.m.
        • The Hats
          KenB -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 6:52 p.m.
        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:34 p.m.
          • Shino wins WSOB 2010
            Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:43 p.m.
            • Shino wins WSOB 2010
              Chiva Tafazzoli -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:32 p.m.
            • Shino wins WSOB 2010
              Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:58 p.m.
              • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                Michael Crane -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 4:06 p.m.
                • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                  Stick -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 4:24 p.m.
                  • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 8:06 p.m.
                  • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                    Michael Crane -- Thursday, 11 February 2010, at 8:40 a.m.
                • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                  Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 6:06 p.m.
                  • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                    Michael Crane -- Thursday, 11 February 2010, at 8:34 a.m.
      • Shino wins WSOB 2010
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:36 p.m.
    • Shino wins WSOB 2010
      Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 4:38 p.m.
      • Shino wins WSOB 2010
        Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 5:08 p.m.
    • Shino wins WSOB 2010
      Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 6:51 p.m.
      • Shino wins WSOB 2010
        Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:53 p.m.
        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
          Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 8:37 p.m.
          • Shino wins WSOB 2010
            Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 9:40 p.m.
            • Shino wins WSOB 2010
              Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:11 p.m.
              • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:19 p.m.
              • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:57 p.m.
                • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                  Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:14 p.m.
                  • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                    Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:27 p.m.
                    • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                      Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:38 p.m.
                      • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                        Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:53 p.m.
                        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                          Stick -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 12:02 a.m.
                          • Shino wins WSOB 2010 (ABOUT SHINO)
                            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:46 a.m.
                    • Shino wins WSOB 2010
                      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 12:35 a.m.
          • Shino wins WSOB 2010
            Timothy Chow -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:02 p.m.
    • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
      Christian Plenz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 2:52 a.m.
      • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
        Stick -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 3:46 a.m.
        • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
          Christian Plenz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:05 a.m.
          • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 5:11 p.m.
            • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
              Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 5:58 p.m.
              • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
                neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 6:27 p.m.
              • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
                mfic -- Sunday, 14 February 2010, at 10:03 p.m.
      • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
        Petter Bengtsson -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 3:57 a.m.
        • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
          Stick -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:10 a.m.
        • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
          Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:12 a.m.
        • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
          jdg -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 5:41 p.m.
      • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
        Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:05 a.m.
        • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
          Christian Plenz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:06 p.m.
          • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
            Havard Raddum -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 2:20 p.m.
          • Illegal moves and clocks and time pressure
            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 5:55 p.m.
          • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 7:07 p.m.
            • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
              ragoon -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 9:56 a.m.
    • Shino wins WSOB 2010
      Carter Mattig -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 10:14 p.m.
      • Shino wins WSOB 2010
        Mike Main -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 11:11 p.m.
        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 11:21 p.m.
          • Shino wins WSOB 2010
            Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 11:41 p.m.
            • Shino wins WSOB 2010
              neilkaz -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 1:57 a.m.
        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
          Carter Mattig -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 1:15 a.m.
          • Shino wins WSOB 2010
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 3:42 a.m.
          • Shino wins WSOB 2010
            Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 10:30 a.m.
        • Shino wins WSOB 2010
          John O'Hagan -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 1:39 a.m.