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I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino

Posted By: Bill Riles
Date: Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:05 a.m.

In Response To: I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino (Christian Plenz)

Certainly sounds grossly improper -- would be nice to know all of the details. Was the match against you? Or was it in the final? Was there more than one episode? Did he actually physically threaten you or someone else? Did it result only from bad luck? Or were there other factors or provocation? None of this excuses in the least the behavior described, but it would be interesting to know. I don't know the guy, have seen him play a few times (not as an opponent of mine), and don't recall ever hearing a peep out of him.

Similarly, it would also be nice to know all of the PJT details. Is it that you cannot say anything on the PJT topic? or that you will not? Just curious.

A bit of a case of moral relativism here for me. Which would be worse -- gross misbehavior in a match/tourney or fraudulent activities in on-line play? In my estimation, neither is acceptable.

One is apparently a public display for all to see/judge and cannot be denied. I assume an improper fit of rage that we are all subject to at times -- though we may or may not act on the feelings. One may or not be contrite afterward, which might mitigate the severity of the evaluation and potential punishment.

The other, if true, is silent, hidden, premeditated, causes damages (if only financial), is deniable, and in my estimation more insidious. Again, contrition and remorse should be considered.

In the criminal arena, absent actual physical assault or worse, I think the premeditated act is considered more seriously than the act of rage.

Who knows?

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  Elliott Winslow -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:59 a.m.
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    Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 1:49 p.m.
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      neilkaz -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 4:34 p.m.
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        Phil Simborg -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 5:22 p.m.
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          Sam Pottle -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 6:00 p.m.
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          Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:34 p.m.
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            Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:43 p.m.
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              Chiva Tafazzoli -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:32 p.m.
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              Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:58 p.m.
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                Michael Crane -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 4:06 p.m.
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                  Stick -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 4:24 p.m.
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                    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 8:06 p.m.
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                    Michael Crane -- Thursday, 11 February 2010, at 8:40 a.m.
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                  Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 6:06 p.m.
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                    Michael Crane -- Thursday, 11 February 2010, at 8:34 a.m.
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        Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:36 p.m.
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      Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 4:38 p.m.
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        Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 5:08 p.m.
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      Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 6:51 p.m.
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        Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 7:53 p.m.
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          Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 8:37 p.m.
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            Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 9:40 p.m.
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              Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:11 p.m.
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                Bill Riles -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:19 p.m.
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                Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:57 p.m.
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                  Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:14 p.m.
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                    Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:27 p.m.
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                      Stick -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:38 p.m.
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                        Steve Mellen -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 11:53 p.m.
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                          Stick -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 12:02 a.m.
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                            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:46 a.m.
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                      Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 12:35 a.m.
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            Timothy Chow -- Monday, 8 February 2010, at 10:02 p.m.
    • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
      Christian Plenz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 2:52 a.m.
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        Stick -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 3:46 a.m.
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          Christian Plenz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:05 a.m.
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            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 5:11 p.m.
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              Chiva Tafazzoli -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 5:58 p.m.
              • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
                neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 6:27 p.m.
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                mfic -- Sunday, 14 February 2010, at 10:03 p.m.
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        Petter Bengtsson -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 3:57 a.m.
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          Stick -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:10 a.m.
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          Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:12 a.m.
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          jdg -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 5:41 p.m.
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        Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 4:05 a.m.
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          Christian Plenz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:06 p.m.
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            Havard Raddum -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 2:20 p.m.
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            neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 5:55 p.m.
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            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 7:07 p.m.
            • I slighly have to disagree, Bill. It's not PJT, it is Shino
              ragoon -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 9:56 a.m.
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      Carter Mattig -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 10:14 p.m.
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        Mike Main -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 11:11 p.m.
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          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 11:21 p.m.
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            Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 11:41 p.m.
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              neilkaz -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 1:57 a.m.
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          Carter Mattig -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 1:15 a.m.
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            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 3:42 a.m.
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            Chiva Tafazzoli -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 10:30 a.m.
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          John O'Hagan -- Wednesday, 10 February 2010, at 1:39 a.m.