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An Every Day Position

Posted By: Dmitriy Obukhov
Date: Sunday, 15 August 2010, at 4:27 a.m.

In Response To: An Every Day Position (Petter Bengtsson)

I don't know why anyone would double this. White has too much work to do to roll what is not even a prime yet. White could double this if he had market loosers. The double would be otherwise justified by the fact that it kills all gammons for Black. I did roll out the position though.




is Player 2

score: 9
pip: 36
11 point match
pip: 253
score: 5

is Player 1
XGID=-A------a-----ABBABB-CAei-:0:0:1:00:5:9:0:11:10
on roll, cube action?


Analyzed in Rollout
No Double
Player Winning Chances: 40.79% (G: 3.43% B: 0.04%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 59.21% (G: 53.81% B: 18.70%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 42.73% (G: 3.29% B: 0.01%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 57.27% (G: 52.73% B: 0.49%)
Cubeless Equities
No Double:-0.997
Double:-0.525
Cubeful Equities
No Double:-0.597 (-0.073)
Double/Take:-0.525
Double/Drop:+1.000 (+1.525)
Best Cube action: Double / Take
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply
Confidence No Double: ± 0.068 (-0.665...-0.530)
Confidence Double: ± 0.072 (-0.597...-0.453)
Double Decision confidence: 92.5%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%
Duration: 39 minutes 25 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.20, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

Surprise! Lets see what happens if we improove his position.




is Player 2

score: 9
pip: 36
11 point match
pip: 234
score: 5

is Player 1
XGID=-A------a-----BBBCCB---ei-:0:0:1:00:5:9:0:11:10
on roll, cube action?


Analyzed in Rollout
No Double
Player Winning Chances: 52.07% (G: 4.52% B: 0.09%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 47.93% (G: 40.17% B: 0.22%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 51.91% (G: 4.43% B: 0.09%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 48.09% (G: 40.59% B: 0.08%)
Cubeless Equities
No Double:-0.544
Double:-0.068
Cubeful Equities
No Double:-0.048
Double/Take:-0.068 (-0.021)
Double/Drop:+1.000 (+1.048)
Best Cube action: No Double / Take
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply
Confidence No Double: ± 0.088 (-0.136...+0.040)
Confidence Double: ± 0.095 (-0.163...+0.026)
Double Decision confidence: 62.2%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%
Duration: 31 minutes 03 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.20, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

He is a favourite now, yet this is a ND/T. So, how can the original position be a D/T if second one is a ND/T? I would double against a human in the second position (sometimes they drop). Anyway these rollouts results is a mystery for me.

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