[ View Thread ] [ Post Response ] [ Return to Index ] [ Read Prev Msg ] [ Read Next Msg ]

BGonline.org Forums

Legal Moves Club

Posted By: phil simborg
Date: Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 8:58 p.m.

In Response To: Legal Moves Club (Chuck Bower)

No matter what rules you have, there is always going to be a way for a cheater and a liar to cheat and lie. The assumption is that you do not have people like that playing, and if someone gets a reputation for doing that, then both the tournament director and the players should see that there is a "proctor"--an official to watch the match, watch for legal and illegal moves, the score, and any infractions or irregularities, and correct them. (Usually, the presence of the proctor will inhibit unscrupulous play.)

With legal moves, in my opinion, it should be able to be corrected even after the other party rolls, but before the other party picks up his dice. That is how we apply it in our Chicago chouttes. However, if my opponent makes an illegal move, picks up his dice, then I roll, and someone (anyone in or watching the game) notes that there was an illegal move, then my roll does not count. The move is corrected, and I re-roll. (It would be unfair to me to allow my opponent to correct an illegal move with the knowledge of what my roll is going to be.)

Now, of course, a "cheater" might move illegally, and if I then roll a good number, point it out, and if I don't he might just shut up and pretend it didn't happen. Or, conversely, if my opponent makes an illegal move, I could just shut up and roll and see if I roll a good number or not (assuming I am a cheater).

There is NO WAY to prove if someone does this intentionally, but if someone does this repeatedly, or on critical rolls, they will soon get a reputation, and they are probably taking shots other ways as well. Of course, allowing an official or spectators to also call illegal moves lessens the chance that someone can get away with an intentional "option" play.

In tournaments, I agree that giving spectators rights to make comments is very wrong, and they should only speak up if BOTH players ask for their help in clarifying what the roll or move was, or if an official asks them. In finals and very important matches, I see no reason why the tournament director can not and should not appoint a proctor who can help the players immediately all illegal moves, adjust wrong scores, and verify what was rolled.

Messages In This Thread

 

Post Response
Your Name:
Your E-Mail Address:
Subject:
Message:

If necessary, enter your password below:

Password:
 

 

[ View Thread ] [ Post Response ] [ Return to Index ] [ Read Prev Msg ] [ Read Next Msg ]

BGonline.org Forums is maintained by Stick with WebBBS 5.12.