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Clocks and Penalties

Posted By: johnk
Date: Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 11:33 p.m.

In Response To: Clocks and Penalties (Bob Koca)

I mentioned pip counting specifically because a) it is such a mechanical activity requiring only simple addition and multiplication b) it usually takes well over 12 seconds (for me anyway) and c) is likely to be improved upon by not rushing. True, I could shave some time off by practicing more. But do we really want to amplify the importance of this skill - as clocks do – over other backgammon skills such as the ones you mention. Seeing the relevant features of a position, figuring out how to adjust from a reference position to an actual position, doing a one play scan seeing how an opponent's rolls will play, thinking through how the volatility of a given position affects the cube actions – all require actual backgammon knowledge and skill - and are much less likely to be improved upon much by taking a lot more time (although that doesn’t stop some people from trying).

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• Clocks and Penalties
  johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 2:50 p.m.
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    Jason Lee -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 2:58 p.m.
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      Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:10 p.m.
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      johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:24 p.m.
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        Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:45 p.m.
      • Clocks and Penalties
        Daniel Murphy -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:54 p.m.
      • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
        neilkaz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:04 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
          Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:27 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
          johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 5:00 p.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
            Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:00 a.m.
      • Clocks and Penalties
        Bob Koca -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 5:20 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 11:33 p.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties
            Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 12:28 a.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 12:52 a.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:35 a.m.
                • Clocks and Penalties
                  Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 6:24 a.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 12:13 p.m.
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            phil simborg -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:05 a.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Stick -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:11 a.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:46 a.m.
                • Clocks and Penalties
                  Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:29 p.m.
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            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:15 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Bob Koca -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 7:23 p.m.
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            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:17 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 7:30 p.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties
                Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 12:54 p.m.
  • Clocks and Penalties
    Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:06 p.m.
  • Clocks and Penalties
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:03 p.m.
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    Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:21 p.m.
    • LOL
      Tom Keith -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:50 p.m.
      • LOL
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:40 a.m.
  • Clocks and Penalties
    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 5:46 p.m.
  • Clocks and Penalties
    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 6:00 p.m.
    • Clocks and Penalties
      Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:24 p.m.
      • Clocks and Penalties
        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 8:50 p.m.
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      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 8:55 p.m.
      • Clocks and Penalties
        Chuck Bower -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 10:02 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 1:00 p.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock breaks and late arrivals
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 2:51 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock breaks and late arrivals
              Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 5:32 p.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                neilkaz -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:14 p.m.
                • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:14 p.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:34 p.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 11:13 p.m.
                    • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                      Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 1:31 p.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                    Bob Koca -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 2:29 a.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties ABT and WBGF rules
            Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 8:13 p.m.
  • Clocks and Penalties
    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 6:39 p.m.
    • Clocks and Penalties
      neilkaz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 7:15 p.m.
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        johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:13 a.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:39 a.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties
            johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:20 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:37 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Stick -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:39 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Jason Lee -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 10:10 p.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 3:09 a.m.
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              mtuhtan -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:59 p.m.
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            joe freedman -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:16 a.m.
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              neilkaz -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:18 a.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 1:23 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:23 a.m.
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          Jason Lee -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 4:06 a.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          Stick -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 4:09 a.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          Mike Main -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 4:58 a.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 5:54 a.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties
              Mike Main -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:53 a.m.
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              Sam Pottle -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:52 p.m.
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                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:33 p.m.
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                  joe freedman -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:10 a.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties
            Mike Main -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:49 a.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties
            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:33 p.m.
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              phil simborg -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 12:33 p.m.
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    Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 7:43 p.m.
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    phil simborg -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 11:27 p.m.
  • I LOVE Playing Until 2:15 AM And Then Being Required To Play Again at 10 AM Saturday
    Paul Weaver -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:17 a.m.
    • I LOVE Playing Until 2:15 AM And Then Being Required To Play Again at 10 AM Saturday
      Julia Hayward -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 12:27 p.m.
      • A little planning goes a long way
        Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 5:58 p.m.
        • A little planning goes a long way
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 6:34 p.m.
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    johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 5:45 p.m.
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      Jason Lee -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:13 p.m.
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      Casper van der Tak -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:28 p.m.
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        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 7:17 p.m.
  • Clocks and XG
    johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 5:50 p.m.
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      storm -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:14 p.m.
    • Clocks and XG
      eXtreme Gammon -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 11:39 p.m.
      • Clocks and XG
        Leonardo Jerkovic -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 1:58 a.m.
        • Clocks and XG
          eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:36 a.m.
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    Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:12 p.m.