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Clocks and Penalties

Posted By: Rich Munitz
Date: Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 6:24 a.m.

In Response To: Clocks and Penalties (Bob Koca)

Pipcounting is mechanical any way I look at it. Good mechanics have many tools in their toolbox to make them most effective.

What's not mechanical is to develop the skill to accurately estimate a pipcount by looking at the position, or to judge which player is ahead in the count and whether it is by a lot or a little. Kit Woolsey claims that he can typically estimate the pipcount within about 5 pips just by looking at the position. He is not Rain Man (Jack Kissane is Rain Man - anyone that can count both sides of the board in 3 seconds is Rain Man in my book). Kit has simply developed the discipline of estimating counts while playing on a computer before looking at the pipcount. Like training a neural net - over time you get better at it. I've heard that Falafel claims that he almost never counts pips - just looks at the positions and knows who's ahead. Those are backgammon skills.

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  johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 2:50 p.m.
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    Jason Lee -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 2:58 p.m.
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      Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:10 p.m.
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      johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:24 p.m.
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        Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:45 p.m.
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        Daniel Murphy -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:54 p.m.
      • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
        neilkaz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:04 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
          Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:27 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
          johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 5:00 p.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties and Pip Counting
            Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:00 a.m.
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        Bob Koca -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 5:20 p.m.
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          johnk -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 11:33 p.m.
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            Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 12:28 a.m.
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              johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 12:52 a.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:35 a.m.
                • Clocks and Penalties
                  Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 6:24 a.m.
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                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 12:13 p.m.
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            phil simborg -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:05 a.m.
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              Stick -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:11 a.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties
                Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:46 a.m.
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                  Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:29 p.m.
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            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:15 p.m.
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              Bob Koca -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 7:23 p.m.
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            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:17 p.m.
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              Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 7:30 p.m.
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                Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 12:54 p.m.
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    Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 3:06 p.m.
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    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:03 p.m.
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    Chuck Bower -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:21 p.m.
    • LOL
      Tom Keith -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 4:50 p.m.
      • LOL
        Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:40 a.m.
  • Clocks and Penalties
    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 5:46 p.m.
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    Chiva Tafazzoli -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 6:00 p.m.
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      Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:24 p.m.
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        Chiva Tafazzoli -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 8:50 p.m.
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      Chiva Tafazzoli -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 8:55 p.m.
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        Chuck Bower -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 10:02 p.m.
        • Clocks and Penalties
          Gregg Cattanach -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 1:00 p.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock breaks and late arrivals
            Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 2:51 p.m.
            • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock breaks and late arrivals
              Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 5:32 p.m.
              • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                neilkaz -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:14 p.m.
                • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                  Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:14 p.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:34 p.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                    Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 11:13 p.m.
                    • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                      Gregg Cattanach -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 1:31 p.m.
                  • Clocks and Penalties - Yes - clock late arrivals, ONLY
                    Bob Koca -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 2:29 a.m.
          • Clocks and Penalties ABT and WBGF rules
            Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 8:13 p.m.
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    Rich Munitz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 6:39 p.m.
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      neilkaz -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 7:15 p.m.
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        johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:13 a.m.
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          Bob Koca -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:39 a.m.
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            johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:20 p.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:37 p.m.
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              Stick -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:39 p.m.
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              Jason Lee -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 10:10 p.m.
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              Rich Munitz -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 3:09 a.m.
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              mtuhtan -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:59 p.m.
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            joe freedman -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:16 a.m.
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              neilkaz -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:18 a.m.
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              Chuck Bower -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 1:23 p.m.
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          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:23 a.m.
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          Jason Lee -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 4:06 a.m.
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          Stick -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 4:09 a.m.
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          Mike Main -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 4:58 a.m.
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            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 5:54 a.m.
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              Mike Main -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:53 a.m.
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              Sam Pottle -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 1:52 p.m.
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                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 9:33 p.m.
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                  joe freedman -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:10 a.m.
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            Mike Main -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:49 a.m.
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            Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:33 p.m.
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              phil simborg -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 12:33 p.m.
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    Bill Riles -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 7:43 p.m.
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    phil simborg -- Saturday, 11 September 2010, at 11:27 p.m.
  • I LOVE Playing Until 2:15 AM And Then Being Required To Play Again at 10 AM Saturday
    Paul Weaver -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 2:17 a.m.
    • I LOVE Playing Until 2:15 AM And Then Being Required To Play Again at 10 AM Saturday
      Julia Hayward -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 12:27 p.m.
      • A little planning goes a long way
        Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 5:58 p.m.
        • A little planning goes a long way
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 6:34 p.m.
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    johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 5:45 p.m.
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      Jason Lee -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:13 p.m.
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      Casper van der Tak -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:28 p.m.
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        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 7:17 p.m.
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    johnk -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 5:50 p.m.
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      storm -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 6:14 p.m.
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      eXtreme Gammon -- Sunday, 12 September 2010, at 11:39 p.m.
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        Leonardo Jerkovic -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 1:58 a.m.
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          eXtreme Gammon -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 2:36 a.m.
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    Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 13 September 2010, at 6:12 p.m.