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Correction of last statement

Posted By: Maik Stiebler
Date: Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:06 p.m.

In Response To: Correction of last statement (Joe Russell)

The skillful wins occur mainly when the better player is able to win the matches where the luck is average and, once a very large number of matches, win one where he was actually unlucky.

Can you really define a way to distinguish between skillful wins and lucky wins?

If you look at a bunch of matches between those two players, I think you will find that, regarding the luck measurements in mwc, they nearly all fall into one of two groups: Either the better player is quite lucky, or the worse player is quite lucky (on average the absolute value of luck will be a bit higher in the second group). I.e., matches where luck is close to average are accidental, and their number is very small.

Messages In This Thread

• Giant versus average open player
  Joe Russell -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 9:33 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Jason Lee -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 9:40 p.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 11:52 p.m.
      • Giant versus average open player
        Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 10:54 a.m.
        • Giant versus average open player
          Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 12:18 p.m.
          • Giant versus average open player
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:24 p.m.
          • Giant versus average open player
            Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:47 p.m.
            • Giant versus average open player
              Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:16 p.m.
              • oops, that was meant as a reply to MCG
                Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:20 p.m.
            • Giant versus average open player
              Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:33 p.m.
        • Some data
          Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:21 p.m.
          • match lengths = 7 pts *NM*
            Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:25 p.m.
      • Giant versus average open player
        Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:25 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 9:41 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 9:42 p.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:09 a.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Leonardo Jerkovic -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 9:50 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Steve Mellen -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 9:55 p.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 10:07 p.m.
      • Giant versus average open player
        Steve Mellen -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 10:25 p.m.
        • Giant versus average open player
          Rich Munitz -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 11:09 p.m.
        • Giant versus average open player
          Timothy Chow -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 11:44 p.m.
          • Giant versus average open player
            Steve Mellen -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 11:59 p.m.
            • Giant versus average open player
              Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 2:20 p.m.
              • Giant versus average open player
                Steve Mellen -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:17 p.m.
        • Giant versus average open player
          Stanley E. Richards -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:37 a.m.
          • Giant versus average open player
            Steve Mellen -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:03 a.m.
            • Giant versus average open player
              Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:35 a.m.
              • Giant versus average open player
                Steve Mellen -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:30 p.m.
                • Giant versus average open player
                  Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:01 p.m.
                  • Giant versus average open player
                    Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:18 p.m.
                    • Giant versus average open player
                      Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:46 p.m.
                  • Giant versus average open player
                    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:21 p.m.
                    • Giant versus average open player
                      Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:47 p.m.
                      • Giant versus average open player
                        Gregg Cattanach -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:23 p.m.
                        • Giant versus average open player
                          Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:28 p.m.
                          • Giant versus average open player
                            Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 7:48 p.m.
                • Giant versus average open player
                  Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:11 p.m.
                  • Giant versus average open player
                    Steve Mellen -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:58 p.m.
                    • Giant versus average open player
                      Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:06 p.m.
          • Giant versus average open player
            Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:36 p.m.
        • Giant versus average open player
          Bill Riles -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:59 a.m.
          • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
            phil simborg -- Friday, 17 September 2010, at 11:28 p.m.
            • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
              Bob Koca -- Saturday, 18 September 2010, at 5:42 p.m.
              • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                Bob Koca -- Saturday, 25 September 2010, at 7:46 p.m.
              • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 12:22 a.m.
                • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                  Timothy Chow -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 1:21 a.m.
                  • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                    Stick -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 1:31 a.m.
                    • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                      Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 1:39 a.m.
                    • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                      Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 8:09 a.m.
                      • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                        Bob Koca -- Monday, 27 September 2010, at 11:17 a.m.
                        • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                          Perry Gartner -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 2:19 a.m.
                          • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                            Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 4:21 a.m.
                            • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                              Stick -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 4:28 a.m.
                              • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                                Perry Gartner -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 11:44 a.m.
                                • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                                  Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 1:02 p.m.
                                  • Alternate solution
                                    Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 1:26 p.m.
                                    • Another alternate solution
                                      Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 1:39 p.m.
                                      • Another alternate solution
                                        Bob Koca -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 3:26 p.m.
                                        • Another alternate solution
                                          Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 4:14 p.m.
                                          • Another alternate solution
                                            Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 4:57 p.m.
                                  • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                                    Stick -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 9:01 p.m.
                          • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                            Sam Pottle -- Tuesday, 28 September 2010, at 7:51 a.m.
                    • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                      Maik Stiebler -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 8:33 a.m.
                • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                  Maik Stiebler -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 9:13 a.m.
                  • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                    Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 6:17 p.m.
            • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
              Leonardo Jerkovic -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 11:44 a.m.
              • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                Perry Gartner -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 6:33 p.m.
            • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
              Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 7:23 p.m.
              • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                Perry Gartner -- Monday, 27 September 2010, at 2:02 a.m.
              • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
                phil simborg -- Monday, 27 September 2010, at 4:03 a.m.
            • The True Test of Skill is Duplicate BG
              Gregg Cattanach -- Monday, 27 September 2010, at 12:51 p.m.
      • Giant versus average open player
        Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 10:29 p.m.
      • Giant versus average open player
        garyo -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 11:33 p.m.
        • LOL! *NM*
          Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:20 a.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Daniel Murphy -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 11:20 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Tom Keith -- Tuesday, 14 September 2010, at 10:51 p.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:14 a.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Tom Keith -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 10:20 a.m.
  • Giant versus average open player reworded
    Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 1:40 a.m.
    • Correction of last statement
      Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 2:58 a.m.
      • Correction of last statement
        Maik Stiebler -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 3:06 p.m.
    • Giant versus average open player reworded
      Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:15 p.m.
      • Giant versus average open player reworded
        Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:16 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    phil simborg -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:13 a.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:38 a.m.
      • Giant versus average open player
        Rich Munitz -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 2:57 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:38 a.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Joe Russell -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 7:17 a.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    mtuhtan -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:04 a.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    misja -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 7:01 a.m.
    • More data
      Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 6:22 p.m.
      • More data
        misja -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 9:13 a.m.
        • More data
          Rich Munitz -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 3:47 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    alex21 -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 11:51 a.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Daniel Murphy -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 4:54 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 5:10 p.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    trichard -- Wednesday, 15 September 2010, at 9:13 p.m.
    • Giant versus average open player
      Bob Koca -- Thursday, 16 September 2010, at 2:24 a.m.
  • Giant versus average open player
    Daniel Murphy -- Saturday, 25 September 2010, at 8:30 p.m.
    • Number of Open players (BoE)
      Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 12:16 a.m.
      • Number of Open players (BoE)
        Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 1:03 a.m.
        • Number of Open players (BoE)
          Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 7:31 p.m.
          • Giants at ABT events
            Chuck Bower -- Sunday, 26 September 2010, at 9:56 p.m.
            • Giants at ABT events
              Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 27 September 2010, at 5:52 a.m.