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Rollouts: What's the use of knowing your match equities?

Posted By: Timothy Chow
Date: Tuesday, 14 December 2010, at 1:00 a.m.

In Response To: What's the use of knowing your match equities? (Timothy Chow)

The leader's cash point on a redoubled cube at 3a7a is around 91%. I was playing GNU 2-ply here, who thought that all these were clear ND/T, and that my decision to finally double in Position 4 was a whopper. As you can see from the rollouts, it was GNU's take that was a whopper. XG 3-ply does marginally better but still agrees with my decision to hold the cube until Position 4.

Given that the bots go astray during evaluation, can we trust the rollout results? I think that the redouble/take equity can probably be trusted, since it's DMP, with no opportunities for bot cube errors. Since White can't be gammoned, that means that Positions 1, 3, and 4 are clear D/P. Position 2 is a take but I'm not sure if the ND equity can be trusted.

Since I was playing against GNU, I was trying for the technically correct decision. Against a human opponent, I would have sent the cube over if I thought my opponent was going to drop. But if I thought that my opponent was going to take in Position 1, then I would probably have waited, since I wasn't sure it was a double, let alone a pass. Plus, an opponent who takes in Position 1 may very well take even after my position improves further.


Position 1




White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 81
7 point match
pip: 113
score: 4

Blue is Player 1
XGID=bAB-BCBB------aA----AbbcA-:1:1:1:00:4:0:0:7:10
Blue on roll, cube action?


Analyzed in Rollout
No Double
Player Winning Chances: 90.44% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 9.56% (G: 0.84% B: 0.06%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 93.36% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 6.64% (G: 0.81% B: 0.05%)
Cubeless Equities
No Redouble:+0.798
Redouble:+1.428
Cubeful Equities
No Redouble:+0.973 (-0.027)
Redouble/Take:+1.204 (+0.204)
Redouble/Drop:+1.000
Best Cube action: Redouble / Drop
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply
Confidence No Redouble: ± 0.012 (+0.961...+0.985)
Confidence Redouble: ± 0.025 (+1.178...+1.229)
Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%
Duration: 43 minutes 18 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross


Position 2




White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 78
7 point match
pip: 105
score: 4

Blue is Player 1
XGID=aABaBCBB------aAA---Abbc--:1:1:1:00:4:0:0:7:10
Blue on roll, cube action?


Analyzed in Rollout
No Double
Player Winning Chances: 88.45% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 11.55% (G: 1.12% B: 0.05%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 89.47% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 10.53% (G: 1.57% B: 0.13%)
Cubeless Equities
No Redouble:+0.755
Redouble:+1.249
Cubeful Equities
No Redouble:+0.900 (-0.004)
Redouble/Take:+0.904
Redouble/Drop:+1.000 (+0.096)
Best Cube action: Redouble / Take
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves and cube decisions: 4 ply
Confidence No Redouble: ± 0.008 (+0.892...+0.907)
Confidence Redouble: ± 0.021 (+0.883...+0.925)
Double Decision confidence: 64.5%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%
Duration: 8 hours 40 minutes

eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross


Position 3




White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 92
7 point match
pip: 94
score: 4

Blue is Player 1
XGID=bABaBCBB-A-----AA----bbc--:1:1:1:00:4:0:0:7:10
Blue on roll, cube action?


Analyzed in Rollout
No Double
Player Winning Chances: 92.47% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 7.53% (G: 0.28% B: 0.01%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 93.76% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 6.24% (G: 0.35% B: 0.02%)
Cubeless Equities
No Redouble:+0.846
Redouble:+1.461
Cubeful Equities
No Redouble:+0.964 (-0.036)
Redouble/Take:+1.234 (+0.234)
Redouble/Drop:+1.000
Best Cube action: Redouble / Drop
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves and cube decisions: 4 ply
Confidence No Redouble: ± 0.007 (+0.957...+0.971)
Confidence Redouble: ± 0.015 (+1.219...+1.250)
Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%
Duration: 4 hours 21 minutes

eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross


Position 4




White is Player 2

score: 0
pip: 92
7 point match
pip: 86
score: 4

Blue is Player 1
XGID=bBBaBCBB-------AA----bbc--:1:1:1:00:4:0:0:7:10
Blue on roll, cube action?


Analyzed in Rollout
No Double
Player Winning Chances: 92.42% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 7.58% (G: 0.21% B: 0.01%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 95.31% (G: 0.00% B: 0.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 4.69% (G: 0.24% B: 0.04%)
Cubeless Equities
No Redouble:+0.846
Redouble:+1.526
Cubeful Equities
No Redouble:+0.968 (-0.032)
Redouble/Take:+1.354 (+0.354)
Redouble/Drop:+1.000
Best Cube action: Redouble / Drop
Rollout details
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves and cube decisions: 3 ply
Confidence No Redouble: ± 0.007 (+0.961...+0.975)
Confidence Redouble: ± 0.019 (+1.335...+1.373)
Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%
Duration: 15 minutes 01 second

eXtreme Gammon Version: 1.21, MET: Rockwell-Kazaross

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