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Snowie vs XG in backgames

Posted By: phil simborg
Date: Friday, 24 December 2010, at 2:52 a.m.

In Response To: Snowie vs XG in backgames (higonefive)

There is another methodology to test the strength of the bot in back games compared to humans.

Set up a complicated back game position.

Invite WC players to play the position out against the bot. I would have each player selected play only one side, say 20 times, but they will not be able to see their errors during the game or between games (so they cannot learn from the bot).

Have another group of WC players play the other side against the bot, again, not seeing their errors during or between games.

See who wins more points from each side, the players or the bot.

e.g. Let the No. 1, 3, 5, and 7 Giants play Red 10 games against the bot. Let the No. & 8 Giants play White 10 games against the bot. Compare the bot's record against the players' record. The reason I wouldn't want any one player to play more than 10 games is that he might find a flaw in the bot's play on a given type of play or situation and try to exploit it, and that would only prove that humans have a better ability to adjust to opponent's flaws, not necessarily that they play better when they are not aware of a given flaw.

Naturally, this type of competition could be done in a more practical way, using a few WC players in the study who are willing to play under the above conditions and honestly report their results.

By the way, I'll bet on the bot.

(I did a form of the above study myself a few years ago when I was in a 2-3-4-5 back game will all 15 checkers back and I couldn't win from either side anywhere near as many games as the bot said I should win. So I started studying how the bot played both sides, began playing more that way myself, and I began winning much more from either side. This, of course, only proved that the bot played better than I did, which doesn't prove the bot is better than a human given my questionable origin.)

Messages In This Thread

• Snowie vs XG in backgames
  Timothy Chow -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 3:34 p.m.
  • Snowie vs XG in backgames
    Stick -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 3:59 p.m.
    • Snowie vs XG in backgames
      christian munk-christensen -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 4:19 p.m.
    • Snowie vs XG in backgames
      higonefive -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 4:31 p.m.
      • Snowie vs XG in backgames
        Timothy Chow -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 9:37 p.m.
      • Snowie vs XG in backgames
        phil simborg -- Friday, 24 December 2010, at 2:52 a.m.
    • Snowie vs XG in backgames
      phil simborg -- Tuesday, 21 December 2010, at 2:58 p.m.
  • Snowie vs XG in backgames
    Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 5:20 p.m.
    • Snowie vs XG in backgames
      Timothy Chow -- Monday, 20 December 2010, at 9:32 p.m.