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Posted By: Nack Ballard
Date: Friday, 18 March 2011, at 6:14 p.m.

In Response To: Two variants (RealNick)

Thanks for the 1k/2k rollouts. I don't have XG, but I used GnuBG to run it overnight. Below is money (which I generally prefer to employ for a reference position) followed by AtS, same seed. The score (as well as the bot) appears to make a difference of a few thousandths in the margin, though there is of course still variance even in 5k.

Evidently, more position-tweaking is needed to make the point-switching play better than a "tie."

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, user 0

Move number 7: user to play 21

gnubg	59
user	122
Position ID: /rsBACDWthEBMA Match ID: QQkFAAAAAAAA

• user moves 13/11 4/3

#		Ply	Move	Equity
•	1	R	13/11 4/3	+0.6466
			80.45 19.26 0.78 - 19.55 9.76 0.61 +0.7056 +0.6466 0.07 0.28 0.04 - 0.07 0.06 0.02 0.0036 0.0042
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 882949458 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
	2	R	13/11 10/9	+0.6436 ( -0.0029)
			80.70 18.16 0.72 - 19.30 9.13 0.62 +0.7054 +0.6436 0.06 0.27 0.04 - 0.06 0.06 0.02 0.0034 0.0040
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 882949458 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

The score (after 0 games) is: gnubg 0, user 0 (match to 3 points)

Move number 6: user to play 21

gnubg	59
user	122
Position ID: /rsBACDWthEBMA Match ID: QQllAAAAAAAA

• user moves 13/11 4/3

#		Ply	Move	Equity
	1	R	13/11 10/9	+0.6784
			81.12 17.89 1.77 - 18.88 10.57 4.19 +0.7176 +0.6784 0.07 0.28 0.13 - 0.07 0.12 0.20 0.0034 0.0033
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 882949458 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
•	2	R	13/11 4/3	+0.6772 ( -0.0011)
			80.92 18.70 2.04 - 19.08 11.24 4.22 +0.7143 +0.6772 0.08 0.29 0.14 - 0.08 0.12 0.19 0.0037 0.0036
			Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
			5184 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 882949458 and quasi-random dice
			Play: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
			keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 12 more moves within equity 0.16
			Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
			Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]

Nack

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