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OTB thoughts and RO

Posted By: Ian Shaw
Date: Sunday, 27 March 2011, at 5:21 p.m.

In Response To: OTB thoughts and RO (neilkaz)

My gnubg rollout for money has the position as a narrow pass, as predicted by Trice. Interestingly, higher ply evaluations think this is a take, although the lower plies concur with the rollout.

I misjudged a few things.

Firstly, White's superior structure is only worth 1/4 pip, where I used 1/2 a pip.

Secondly, 1 pip of lead is worth 1.6% not 3% (moving Black 1 pip back from the 4 to the 5-point brings the wins down to 20.1%).

Thirdly, what should I consider the basic gwc to be when a formula tells me "borderline take"? Neil's XG $ rollout says 22.08% is takeable, and my gnubg says 21.8 is a pass. So are we looking at 21.9% as the border? Although I assume it also depends on the race length and the chance of a swing, so maybe there is no exact answer.

I'm surprised that XG gives as many as 22.08 wins. Gnubg's numbers agree with the databases 21.7%

The score (after 0 games) is: White 0, Blue 0

Move number 5: Blue on roll, cube decision?

White60


 ' '1X3X3X5X ' ' ' ' ' '

 ' ' '2O3O5O ' ' ' ' ' '

Blue53

Position ID: dPcBAAC7DwAAAA Match ID: UQkAAAAAAAAA

• Blue doubles

Cube decision
Rollout cubeless equity +0.565
Cubeful equities:
1.Double, pass +1.000
2.Double, take +1.006 +0.006
3.No double +0.856 -0.144
Proper cube action:Redouble, pass
Rollout details
WinW gW bg LoseL gL bgCubelessCubeful
Player Blue owns 2-cube0.7830.0000.000-0.2170.0000.000 +0.565 +0.856
Standard error0.0000.0000.000-0.0000.0000.000 0.000 0.000
Player White owns 4-cube0.7820.0000.000-0.2180.0000.000 +1.127 +1.006
Standard error0.0000.0000.000-0.0000.0000.000 0.000 0.000
Full cubeful rollout with var.redn.
7776 games, Mersenne Twister dice gen. with seed 883076794 and quasi-random dice
Play: world class 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]
keep the first 0 0-ply moves and up to 8 more moves within equity 0.16
Skip pruning for 1-ply moves.
Cube: 2-ply cubeful prune [world class]


Annotation
Cube analysis
0-ply cubeless equity +0.566
0.783 0.000 0.000 - 0.217 0.000 0.000
Cubeful equities:
1. Double, pass +1.000
2. Double, take +1.001 ( +0.001)
3. No double +0.801 ( -0.199)
Proper cube action: Redouble, pass

Cube analysis
1-ply cubeless equity +0.566
0.783 0.000 0.000 - 0.217 0.000 0.000
Cubeful equities:
1. Double, pass +1.000
2. Double, take +1.001 ( +0.001)
3. No double +0.769 ( -0.231)
Proper cube action: Redouble, pass

Cube analysis
2-ply cubeless equity +0.566
0.783 0.000 0.000 - 0.217 0.000 0.000
Cubeful equities:
1. Double, pass +1.000
2. Double, take +1.001 ( +0.001)
3. No double +0.849 ( -0.151)
Proper cube action: Redouble, pass
Cube analysis

Cube analysis
3-ply cubeless equity +0.566
0.783 0.000 0.000 - 0.217 0.000 0.000
Cubeful equities:
1. Double, take +0.998
2. Double, pass +1.000 ( +0.002)
3. No double +0.848 ( -0.151)
Proper cube action: Redouble, take

4-ply cubeless equity +0.566
0.783 0.000 0.000 - 0.217 0.000 0.000
Cubeful equities:
1. Double, take +0.999
2. Double, pass +1.000 ( +0.001)
3. No double +0.852 ( -0.147)
Proper cube action: Redouble, take

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