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"Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon

Posted By: Phil Simborg
Date: Tuesday, 5 April 2011, at 6:27 p.m.

In Response To: "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon (zalan)

Seidel's response that backgammon has been solved by the computer and the top players pretty much all play the same is most insightful and hard to refute. I don't see much difference watching two giants play as watching XG play against itself.

However, this critique only applies to the top level. For the other 99.9 percent of backgammon players there is plenty of variance is style and play, and that is where the game is likely to grow the most.

For the top levels, I have long advocated for making the game more complex by playing Nackgammon, The Simborg Rule, Backgammon to Lose, and other variations that make the game more complicated and required creativity to play well.

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• "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
  zalan -- Tuesday, 5 April 2011, at 5:46 p.m.
  • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
    Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 5 April 2011, at 6:27 p.m.
    • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
      mikeg -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 2:00 a.m.
      • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
        Stanley E. Richards -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 3:38 a.m.
        • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
          mikeg -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 4:46 p.m.
    • game is not exhausted
      svilo -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 8:09 a.m.
    • What makes a has-been?
      Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 5:02 p.m.
      • What makes a has-been?
        Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 5:27 p.m.
        • Isn't this measurable?
          Chuck Bower -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 8:23 p.m.
          • Isn't this measurable?
            Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 8:56 p.m.
      • of course backgammon has been solved
        LowRayTeeng -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 6:09 p.m.
        • of course backgammon has been solved
          Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 6:14 p.m.
          • of course backgammon has been solved
            LowRayTeeng -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 6:20 p.m.
            • of course backgammon has been solved
              Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 6:36 p.m.
        • of course backgammon has been solved
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 7:51 p.m.
          • of course backgammon has been solved
            falafel -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:18 a.m.
            • Checkers/draughts
              RolldUpTrips -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:31 a.m.
              • Checkers/draughts
                Casper van der Tak -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 7:00 a.m.
            • of course backgammon has been solved
              mikeg -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 1:34 a.m.
              • of course backgammon has been solved
                falafel -- Saturday, 9 April 2011, at 5:15 a.m.
        • of course backgammon has been solved
          Frank Berger -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 8:33 p.m.
          • of course backgammon has been solved
            eXtreme Gammon -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 8:53 p.m.
            • +2
              mtuhtan -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 9:20 p.m.
          • of course backgammon has been solved
            LowRayTeeng -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 4:33 p.m.
            • of course backgammon has been solved
              Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:24 p.m.
              • of course backgammon has been solved
                LowRayTeeng -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:39 p.m.
            • OT -- fusion -- but you started it :)
              Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:28 p.m.
              • OT -- fusion -- but you started it :)
                LowRayTeeng -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:37 p.m.
            • of course backgammon has been solved
              Sam Pottle -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:31 p.m.
        • of course backgammon has been solved
          Fender -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 12:22 a.m.
          • of course backgammon has been solved
            LowRayTeeng -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 4:51 p.m.
        • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
          RolldUpTrips -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 1:10 a.m.
          • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
            LowRayTeeng -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 4:48 p.m.
            • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
              eXtreme Gammon -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:38 p.m.
              • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                LowRayTeeng -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 5:42 p.m.
              • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                Bob Koca -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 7:59 p.m.
                • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                  Casper van der Tak -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 8:07 p.m.
                  • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                    Stein Kulseth -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 8:50 p.m.
                    • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                      Casper van der Tak -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 9:07 p.m.
                      • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                        Ray Kershaw -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 8:17 a.m.
                        • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                          Casper van der Tak -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 8:38 a.m.
                        • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 1:48 p.m.
                        • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                          Bob Koca -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 6:48 p.m.
                    • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                      Bob Koca -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 12:49 a.m.
                      • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                        Bob Koca -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 4:55 a.m.
                      • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
                        Stein Kulseth -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 6:39 p.m.
            • Do you know the definition of "solved"?
              Bob Koca -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 12:51 a.m.
      • What makes a has-been?
        Steve Mellen -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 10:53 p.m.
        • What makes a has-been?
          Timothy Chow -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 11:59 p.m.
          • What makes a has-been?
            Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 1:45 a.m.
            • What makes a has-been?
              Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 11:08 p.m.
              • What makes a has-been?
                Steve Mellen -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 11:57 p.m.
                • What makes a has-been?
                  Timothy Chow -- Friday, 8 April 2011, at 10:14 p.m.
        • What makes a has-been?
          Stanley E. Richards -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 3:39 a.m.
      • What makes a has-been?
        Stanley E. Richards -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 3:35 a.m.
  • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
    Kendall -- Tuesday, 5 April 2011, at 9:41 p.m.
  • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
    rew -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 12:14 p.m.
    • Game Is Not Solved!
      Fender -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 5:02 p.m.
      • Game Is Not Solved!
        6stones -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 7:02 p.m.
  • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
    Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 6 April 2011, at 7:59 p.m.
    • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
      mikeg -- Thursday, 7 April 2011, at 4:41 p.m.
  • Backgammon is solved for the hustler, because...
    higonefive -- Saturday, 9 April 2011, at 9:27 a.m.
  • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
    Daniel Murphy -- Sunday, 10 April 2011, at 8:35 p.m.
    • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
      Chuck Bower -- Monday, 11 April 2011, at 5:52 p.m.
      • "Erik Seidel Answers Your Poker Questions" - and two questions related to backgammon
        Daniel Murphy -- Monday, 11 April 2011, at 6:06 p.m.
        • SI and mind sports
          Chuck Bower -- Tuesday, 12 April 2011, at 1:55 p.m.