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Denmark v. World Final Match

Posted By: Bill Riles
Date: Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 2:08 a.m.

In Response To: Denmark v. World Final Match (Perry Gartner)

I am a bit disappointed to see the President of the USBGF suggesting changes to the classic game. I'm not terribly familiar with the organizations supporting other games but I've seen nothing of proposed changes to chess or bridge, as examples.

Luck is an element of the game. Skill is an element of greater importance. There are many other factors: emotion, insight, creativity, innovation, psychology, and more. How opponents use, and respond to, all of these factors provide the character of the game.

Can the more skillful player control his emotions and practice his skill in adverse conditions, or does pressure, tension, fatigue, and/or concentration betray him. May either player correctly gauge his/her opponent's tendencies, flaws, emotions, etc. to advantage? Might creativity and innovation -- drawn from experience, skill, insight, intelligence, and other factors as noted above -- baffle, confuse or surprise the most skillful?

I think many of those advocating change, and some are among the very best players, unfortunately underestimate the subtleties and complexities of the game in the many strata of its play. Watching two mind-numbed bot-trained perfect robots play could well be boring -- but they don't exist. Knowing with increased certainly who will win a match does not, in my estimation, enhance the game, it diminishes the game.

Messages In This Thread

• Denmark v. World Final Match
  Stick -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 4:08 a.m.
  • that 4 cube
    lenny -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 5:13 a.m.
  • Denmark v. World Final Match
    christian munk-christensen -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 6:10 a.m.
    • Denmark v. World Final Match
      Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 6:15 a.m.
      • Denmark v. World Final Match
        Phil Simborg -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 5:39 p.m.
        • Denmark v. World Final Match
          Bill Riles -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 5:48 p.m.
          • Denmark v. World Final Match
            Sebastiaan kuijs -- Friday, 29 April 2011, at 7:44 a.m.
        • Denmark v. World Final Match
          Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 5:54 p.m.
        • Denmark v. World Final Match
          Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 6:45 p.m.
          • Denmark v. World Final Match
            Matt Cohn-Geier -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 7:00 p.m.
            • Denmark v. World Final Match
              Casper van der Tak -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 7:53 p.m.
              • Denmark v. World Final Match
                Matt Cohn-Geier -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 12:54 a.m.
                • Denmark v. World Final Match
                  Casper van der Tak -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 8:57 a.m.
        • Denmark v. World Final Match
          Stick -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 6:58 p.m.
        • Denmark v. World Final Match
          Perry Gartner -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 7:44 p.m.
          • Denmark v. World Final Match
            Bill Riles -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 2:08 a.m.
            • Denmark v. World Final Match
              Phil Simborg -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 3:08 a.m.
              • Denmark v. World Final Match
                Bill Riles -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 3:21 a.m.
                • Denmark v. World Final Match
                  Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 5:50 p.m.
              • Denmark v. World Final Match
                Robert Wachtel -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 10:26 p.m.
            • Denmark v. World Final Match
              Bob Koca -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 5:45 p.m.
          • Some ideas
            neilkaz -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 10:28 p.m.
            • Some ideas
              Timothy Chow -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 1:31 a.m.
            • Some ideas
              Bob Koca -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 4:57 a.m.
          • Another idea
            Bob Koca -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 5:14 a.m.
            • Another idea
              Stick -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 5:20 a.m.
              • Another idea
                Bob Koca -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 5:57 a.m.
                • Another idea
                  Neil Robins -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 7:05 a.m.
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          Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 12:23 a.m.
        • Denmark v. World Final Match
          Chiva Tafazzoli -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 12:59 p.m.
    • Denmark v. World Final Match
      Stick -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 6:41 a.m.
      • XGR++ Gigantic SI eval in progress
        neilkaz -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 12:34 p.m.
        • World 1.0 Denmark 1.5
          neilkaz -- Tuesday, 26 April 2011, at 10:21 p.m.
          • World 1.0 Denmark 1.5
            eXtreme Gammon -- Wednesday, 27 April 2011, at 12:35 a.m.
  • Denmark v. World Final Match
    Mochy -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 12:36 p.m.
    • Denmark v. World Final Match
      Perry Gartner -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 4:38 p.m.
    • Denmark v. World Final Match
      Chuck Bower -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 4:50 p.m.
    • Denmark v. World Final Match
      Casper van der Tak -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 5:00 p.m.
    • Denmark v. World Final Match
      julie -- Thursday, 28 April 2011, at 5:06 p.m.